E(vil)-Cig

[Rev.Reverence]

E-CIG UPDATE: IMPORTANT*****

If you still have your TONSILS IN

You CAN NOT use an E-CIG REGULARLY!

The vapors will clog the pores in your tonsils..

..by over watering them..

...& give you a major case of tonsillitis...

Brother Duck, almost died a few weeks ago...

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

E-CIG UPDATE: IMPORTANT*****

If you still have your TONSILS IN

You CAN NOT use an E-CIG REGULARLY!

The vapors will clog the pores in your tonsils..

..by over watering them..

...& give you a major case of tonsillitis...

Brother Duck, almost died a few weeks ago...

holy shit!!!!

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

God damn it!!!

[phee]

That sucks

[IsleofRhodesEnt]

Group run to the hospital for tonsal removal?

[Destroit]

Well, is this actually published anywhere? How does your friend know for sure that e-cigs caused this? I'm just asking for proof on this 'cause we've got one of those e-cigs and both sets of tonsils. Well, actually, I'm assuming that Pestilence still has his tonsils; I've never actually asked.

Well, is this actually published anywhere? How does your friend know for sure that e-cigs caused this? I'm just asking for proof on this 'cause we've got one of those e-cigs and both sets of tonsils. Well, actually, I'm assuming that Pestilence still has his tonsils; I've never actually asked.

Edited April 25, 2010 by Chernobyl

[DJ Nocker]

Im surprised those people actually buy them, they are a joke.

[freydis]

Im surprised those people actually buy them, they are a joke.

Dude i know bought his to both save money and help himself quit.

So far, it's working.

[torn asunder]

Well, is this actually published anywhere? How does your friend know for sure that e-cigs caused this?

that's precisely what i'd like to know - sources, rev? because it sounds like b.s. (not that you're making it up, but that someone fed you false information...)

[candyman]

that's precisely what i'd like to know - sources, rev? because it sounds like b.s. (not that you're making it up, but that someone fed you false information...)

Well considering the product is NOT approved by any sort of national or international agency the regulates products to make sure that they are safe I would take that as a bad sign since it has been out for purchase for a very long time. On a similar note, the FDA and other agencies national and international have all been sending out warnings about this product relating to the chemicals it contains...chemicals that cause cancer, chemicals that poison various systems in your body, and basically most of the chemicals contained in REAL cigarettes and the worse part is that these chemicals are in LARGER doses. Why are they in larger doses? Well, mostly because the filters used represent at least the same quantity of nicotine in one pack of cigarettes which includes the chemicals that go with it.

Also...we are trying to get kids to stop smoking right? The big thing that hooks them is nicotine right? They banned flavored cigarettes to stop kids from being tempted right? UH OH! These things come in many flavors and contain unknown dosages of nicotine because who the fuck is going to trust the manufacturer when it comes to dosage on the labels? So...if people are cool with this shit what the fuck was wrong with cigarettes? Considering how much more nasty cigarettes taste kids are less likely to continues use as long as the nicotine hasn't gotten them yet...AND at least you can't OD on nicotine with one cigarette!

These things may only let off water vapor...the they still smell like rancid pig shit to me!

[Rev.Reverence]

Hmmm...no, I don't HAVE a fucking LINK...this happened in REAL LIFE.

Me Brother used that poof-poof machine for between 2-3 months, decided he would rather smoke, 'bout a month later, came down with very very bad tonsillitis, & was in hospital for days...

..said his Doc had been seeing this sort of thing...& the e-cig was the common variable.

...why would a Brother Mason lie about such a thing?..we are in the habit of Truth.

.....you want to disbelieve I, go ahead, I'm the one who said the things probably have some huge drawback when they came out...took a bit longer for it to come out than I thought...

..oh, & my usage of the thing was very minimal...& it gave me a bit of a sore throat...I have a naturally phlegmy constitution...I suspect that if I used it regularly, it'ld take less than a month to fuck me up.

[Destroit]

Hmmm...no, I don't HAVE a fucking LINK...this happened in REAL LIFE.

Me Brother used that poof-poof machine for between 2-3 months, decided he would rather smoke, 'bout a month later, came down with very very bad tonsillitis, & was in hospital for days...

..said his Doc had been seeing this sort of thing...& the e-cig was the common variable.

...why would a Brother Mason lie about such a thing?..we are in the habit of Truth.

.....you want to disbelieve I, go ahead, I'm the one who said the things probably have some huge drawback when they came out...took a bit longer for it to come out than I thought...

..oh, & my usage of the thing was very minimal...& it gave me a bit of a sore throat...I have a naturally phlegmy constitution...I suspect that if I used it regularly, it'ld take less than a month to fuck me up.

No I wouldn't expect a Free Mason to lie about something like that. I don't trust doctors . I was going into nursing originally but dropped out of it because the medical field is so corrupt and is bent on keeping people sick and temporarily curing symptoms instead of actually solving the problem. I'd be more likely to trust most lawyers in this day and age!

No I wouldn't expect a Free Mason to lie about something like that. I don't trust doctors . I was going into nursing originally but dropped out of it because the medical field is so corrupt and is bent on keeping people sick and temporarily curing symptoms instead of actually solving the problem. I'd be more likely to trust most lawyers in this day and age!

Edited April 26, 2010 by Chernobyl

[Destroit]

Well considering the product is NOT approved by any sort of national or international agency the regulates products to make sure that they are safe I would take that as a bad sign since it has been out for purchase for a very long time. On a similar note, the FDA and other agencies national and international have all been sending out warnings about this product relating to the chemicals it contains...chemicals that cause cancer, chemicals that poison various systems in your body, and basically most of the chemicals contained in REAL cigarettes and the worse part is that these chemicals are in LARGER doses. Why are they in larger doses? Well, mostly because the filters used represent at least the same quantity of nicotine in one pack of cigarettes which includes the chemicals that go with it.

Also...we are trying to get kids to stop smoking right? The big thing that hooks them is nicotine right? They banned flavored cigarettes to stop kids from being tempted right? UH OH! These things come in many flavors and contain unknown dosages of nicotine because who the fuck is going to trust the manufacturer when it comes to dosage on the labels? So...if people are cool with this shit what the fuck was wrong with cigarettes? Considering how much more nasty cigarettes taste kids are less likely to continues use as long as the nicotine hasn't gotten them yet...AND at least you can't OD on nicotine with one cigarette!

These things may only let off water vapor...the they still smell like rancid pig shit to me!

Actually the FDA has published that the ONLY reason they aren't sure about them is because there has not been enough time to do scientific testing. ACS said they are most likely safe and have actually said that you are better off smoking e-cigs than actual cigarettes since actual cigarettes are responsible for 90% of lung cancer cases yearly. That doesn't even include emphysema or heart problems. E-cigs are so new and have only really boomed in the past year and so therefore there has not been enough time to determine the safety. They have been touted as "most likely" safe at this point and there are no ingredients in the products that are significant enough to cause cancer. It's pure nicotene and flavor. Most people misread or misinterpret all of this into thinking "Well it's not FDA approved and so therefore it's not safe!" Really it will most likely be 100% FDA approved in the next few years but is not at this point because there simply has not been enough time to run analysis on the product.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/13/ecigarettes.smoking/

All e-cigs come with a shut-off mechanism so that you CAN'T overdose yourself on nicotene, even if you wanted to. If you take more than 6 puffs in a minute it shuts down. There has not been a case of ANYONE overdosing on this product or even coming remotely close.

I'm glad I switched over because I forgot what it was like being able to breathe and smell things. Both of these human attributes, I've rediscovered, are awesome and worth it . I still support smokers and their right to smoke. I'm not one of those assholes where "Just because I recovered from ___________ (cigarettes, weed, alcohol, whatever in the blank) I'm going to be a pompous dick and say people who are actually responsible/aware of the reprocussions should be punished also just because I can't handle myself." I can't stand when people force that sort of bias on others. Just because you had a problem with a vice doesn't mean it should be banned everywhere, it means you were weak about it . Those last two sentences are just IMO obviously.

I do still smoke the occasional cigarette but it's always with a beer. When I'm drunk I'm a masochist and love the feeling of my throat and lungs catching on fire.

Actually the FDA has published that the ONLY reason they aren't sure about them is because there has not been enough time to do scientific testing. ACS said they are most likely safe and have actually said that you are better off smoking e-cigs than actual cigarettes since actual cigarettes are responsible for 90% of lung cancer cases yearly. That doesn't even include emphysema or heart problems. E-cigs are so new and have only really boomed in the past year and so therefore there has not been enough time to determine the safety. They have been touted as "most likely" safe at this point and there are no ingredients in the products that are significant enough to cause cancer. It's pure nicotene and flavor. Most people misread or misinterpret all of this into thinking "Well it's not FDA approved and so therefore it's not safe!" Really it will most likely be 100% FDA approved in the next few years but is not at this point because there simply has not been enough time to run analysis on the product.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/13/ecigarettes.smoking/

All e-cigs come with a shut-off mechanism so that you CAN'T overdose yourself on nicotene, even if you wanted to. If you take more than 6 puffs in a minute it shuts down. There has not been a case of ANYONE overdosing on this product or even coming remotely close.

I'm glad I switched over because I forgot what it was like being able to breathe and smell things. Both of these human attributes, I've rediscovered, are awesome and worth it . I still support smokers and their right to smoke. I'm not one of those assholes where "Just because I recovered from ___________ (cigarettes, weed, alcohol, whatever in the blank) I'm going to be a pompous dick and say people who are actually responsible/aware of the reprocussions should be punished also just because I can't handle myself." I can't stand when people force that sort of bias on others. Just because you had a problem with a vice doesn't mean it should be banned everywhere, it means you were weak about it . Those last two sentences are just IMO obviously.

I do still smoke the occasional cigarette but it's always with a beer. When I'm drunk I'm a masochist and love the feeling of my throat and lungs catching on fire.

Edited April 26, 2010 by Chernobyl

[Rev.Reverence]

No I wouldn't expect a Free Mason to lie about something like that. I don't trust doctors . I was going into nursing originally but dropped out of it because the medical field is so corrupt and is bent on keeping people sick and temporarily curing symptoms instead of actually solving the problem. I'd be more likely to trust most lawyers in this day and age!

...nor do I..

[candyman]

I have not seen an E-cig with any short of shut-off device. When they first came out I saw a ton of backing for them at the stores they have in the city...but that died off quickly and when I did my report on smoking I got ALOT of negative feedback from people.

Most complaints I hear from people are that you tend to feel sick after continued use which I would take to be a bad sign. You do not have to overdose on nicotine for it to be a bad thing. Everything is a poison at certain levels.

And my point still stand with the nicotine, the flavors, and the kids. I understand that it is "better" than real cigarettes but still...

I don't really like these things but I guess I will reserve judgement until later. However I still stand by one of the laws that is stamped into my head and its revolves around the idea that almost EVERYTHING that we consider bad today or that we are banning was at one point found to be "good" or was considered "safe" and in some cases was considered "healthy"...we are in a constant cycle of stupidity which really isn't our fault at all. CFC's are in our atmosphere today because at one point we found them to be "inert" so we were so very sure that they would cause no problems...and while I do not believe in the whole global warming game they got going on I do know the science behind the CFC's and it ain't good...but they WERE "good" and were tossed around like a cheap whore until we got wiser.

[Destroit]

I have not seen an E-cig with any short of shut-off device. When they first came out I saw a ton of backing for them at the stores they have in the city...but that died off quickly and when I did my report on smoking I got ALOT of negative feedback from people.

Most complaints I hear from people are that you tend to feel sick after continued use which I would take to be a bad sign. You do not have to overdose on nicotine for it to be a bad thing. Everything is a poison at certain levels.

And my point still stand with the nicotine, the flavors, and the kids. I understand that it is "better" than real cigarettes but still...

I don't really like these things but I guess I will reserve judgement until later. However I still stand by one of the laws that is stamped into my head and its revolves around the idea that almost EVERYTHING that we consider bad today or that we are banning was at one point found to be "good" or was considered "safe" and in some cases was considered "healthy"...we are in a constant cycle of stupidity which really isn't our fault at all. CFC's are in our atmosphere today because at one point we found them to be "inert" so we were so very sure that they would cause no problems...and while I do not believe in the whole global warming game they got going on I do know the science behind the CFC's and it ain't good...but they WERE "good" and were tossed around like a cheap whore until we got wiser.

I agree with the kids' thing. It's a bit hypocritical for them to ban all flavored cigarettes, including adult-oriented flavors like cloves, and turn around and let these be sold.

And point taken about the harmfulness and the fact that we don't KNOW yet. Odds are? People are probably blowing it out of proportion. But you never know, it is too new to completely deem it safe without further testing. As it stands right now there have been no adverse effects caused by e-cigs.

I agree with the kids' thing. It's a bit hypocritical for them to ban all flavored cigarettes, including adult-oriented flavors like cloves, and turn around and let these be sold.

And point taken about the harmfulness and the fact that we don't KNOW yet. Odds are? People are probably blowing it out of proportion. But you never know, it is too new to completely deem it safe without further testing. As it stands right now there have been no adverse effects caused by e-cigs.

[torn asunder]

Hmmm...no, I don't HAVE a fucking LINK...this happened in REAL LIFE.

Me Brother used that poof-poof machine for between 2-3 months, decided he would rather smoke, 'bout a month later, came down with very very bad tonsillitis, & was in hospital for days...

..said his Doc had been seeing this sort of thing...& the e-cig was the common variable.

hey, first of, drop the attitude, dude. "i don't have a fucking link"? settle down... what's wrong with you? i asked a simple question, because i was doubtful about the credibility of your statement. you need to stop taking things so damn personally, & just lighten up, ok?

secondly, you're using faulty logic. people have been getting tonsillitus for centuries. just because your friend used these things, it *in no way* proves that they were the cause. i mean, if that were the case, i could say that "i started lifting weights a couple months ago. then i got a really bad sinus infection. weight lifting causes sinus infections, so i'm not gonna work out any more!!"

now really, does that make any sense? just because you believe it doesn't make it true...

[Destroit]

hey, first of, drop the attitude, dude. "i don't have a fucking link"? settle down... what's wrong with you? i asked a simple question, because i was doubtful about the credibility of your statement. you need to stop taking things so damn personally, & just lighten up, ok?

secondly, you're using faulty logic. people have been getting tonsillitus for centuries. just because your friend used these things, it *in no way* proves that they were the cause. i mean, if that were the case, i could say that "i started lifting weights a couple months ago. then i got a really bad sinus infection. weight lifting causes sinus infections, so i'm not gonna work out any more!!"

now really, does that make any sense? just because you believe it doesn't make it true...

That's pretty much what I wanted to try and correlate. I wanted proof there was a direct correlation to e-cig use and tonsillitis. Tonsillitis could be caused by a lot of things, ANY kind of bacterial build-up in your throat can cause it. The doctor could have been biased as many physicians are. He may strongly dislike these e-cigs or any smoking and for all I know got two patients who had both used an e-cig before and then got tonsillitis due to it and then, in his own head, pieced together that e-cig use MUST cause tonsillitis. That's why I asked for a link.

That's pretty much what I wanted to try and correlate. I wanted proof there was a direct correlation to e-cig use and tonsillitis. Tonsillitis could be caused by a lot of things, ANY kind of bacterial build-up in your throat can cause it. The doctor could have been biased as many physicians are. He may strongly dislike these e-cigs or any smoking and for all I know got two patients who had both used an e-cig before and then got tonsillitis due to it and then, in his own head, pieced together that e-cig use MUST cause tonsillitis. That's why I asked for a link.

[Soulrev]

I call BS. I am an avid smoker of the green leaf products. I have a hookah, a vaporizor, water pipes, etc. I've never had my tonsels taken out and I smoke out of a vaporizor all day. May not be exactly the same as an e-cig, but same concept. I've not had any problems. Oh and my wife, who is in Iraq right now, has been using "Blu-Cigs" since before she left for the sandbox and she hasn't had any problems...

[Rev.Reverence]

I call BS. I am an avid smoker of the green leaf products. I have a hookah, a vaporizor, water pipes, etc. I've never had my tonsels taken out and I smoke out of a vaporizor all day. May not be exactly the same as an e-cig, but same concept. I've not had any problems. Oh and my wife, who is in Iraq right now, has been using "Blu-Cigs" since before she left for the sandbox and she hasn't had any problems...

Chill man...read the thread, & I don't really give a fuck if you believe my (stated) second hand information.

Vaporizer, & e-cig, vastly different tech...one, the herb goes in, the usable THC is vaporized; & in the other, the nicotine, suspended in a water solution...& it vaporizes that

I haven't a clue what this blu-cig is...so, whateverz...

[Rev.Reverence]

hey, first of, drop the attitude, dude. "i don't have a fucking link"? settle down... what's wrong with you? i asked a simple question, because i was doubtful about the credibility of your statement. you need to stop taking things so damn personally, & just lighten up, ok?

secondly, you're using faulty logic. people have been getting tonsillitus for centuries. just because your friend used these things, it *in no way* proves that they were the cause. i mean, if that were the case, i could say that "i started lifting weights a couple months ago. then i got a really bad sinus infection. weight lifting causes sinus infections, so i'm not gonna work out any more!!"

now really, does that make any sense? just because you believe it doesn't make it true...

Why do you attack 'my logic'?

I am reporting what someone told me, that their doctor told them...

Hmm...but, seeing as you read the response, I won't bother re-quoting it about all that what the Doctor said, nor will I note it that, it is OBVIOUSLY second hand info...DUH...& the way I got said info, would make it impossible to find a link...

You want to doubt MY CREDIBILITY, yet, I am not supposed to take that personally?

La-ti-fuckin'-DA!..n' I don't think so...this be the way I am, & I don't plan on changin'...& plenty of peoples love lil' ole defencive me.

I didn't break any of the precious rules, so

[Soulrev]

Ok no need to be a hostile douchebag I was just stating an opinion that is not backed up by any scientific fact what the fuck did I say to piss you off? Jesus. Blu Cigs are electronic cigarettes, too. I dunno it just sounds fishy I've known a couple people who have been smokin those for 6 months AT LEAST and not had any problems? So maybe they are bad for you, maybe they aren't.

However, I think I would rather suffer tonsilitis than lung cancer from the shit-ton of tar you would get from a real cigarette. I mean yeah we can all talk about personal opinions and experiences all day. Shit I smoked clove cigarettes for a month straight and by the time that one month went by, I was coughing up yellow and black mucous in the shower. Does that mean everyone who smokes cloves will cough shit up like that? No. But I did. So I stopped smoking cloves.

Does that mean I'm going to say "HEY EVERYONE DON'T SMOKE CLOVES CUZ THIS SHIT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU TOO!!"

No.

[Soulrev]

Why do you attack 'my logic'?

I am reporting what someone told me, that their doctor told them...

Hmm...but, seeing as you read the response, I won't bother re-quoting it about all that what the Doctor said, nor will I note it that, it is OBVIOUSLY second hand info...DUH...& the way I got said info, would make it impossible to find a link...

You want to doubt MY CREDIBILITY, yet, I am not supposed to take that personally?

La-ti-fuckin'-DA!..n' I don't think so...this be the way I am, & I don't plan on changin'...& plenty of peoples love lil' ole defencive me.

I didn't break any of the precious rules, so

I am not (and I don't think anyone else is) questioning YOUR logic, just, the logic of the doctor who you heard this from. Thats all ;P

[Rev.Reverence]

How the fuck am I hostile?

What did I say to directly insult you?

You don't like me delivery?

Tough shit, I didn't like the way that you called 'bullshit'...

[Soulrev]

OK cool now unlike other people here who like to swing their sacks around, let me formally apologize, for I think we both misunderstood eachother. I didn't mean to offend, and I don't think you did either, so that's that. Back to the regularly scheduled topic :D