To The DJ's

[DJ Nocker]

MUSICAL DIVERSITY/INDIVIDUALITY- Something that we should strive for.

In almost every other state, DJ's are known for doing mostly a specific thing. And the people promote it as such. And if we started doing that in Detroit, our scene would prosper. I know we all have at least some similar likes in music as we are all DJ's in the D. But its also obvious that we all like a certain part of that genre more/less, and seek it out/want to play more of it.

Examples of such are

DJ Aaron Hingst- Synthpop

DJ Saint- Noise

DJ Electrosonic- Guitar Driven Industrial

Joey Deadcat- Rockabilly/Psychobilly

Justin Carver- Coldwave

I could go on.

OBVIOUSLY We all like bits and pieces of every genre, but certain people hound it and strive to find everything they can, this can help us show people what is out there! Not only that, but it can help us with requests, because just as we like little sub genres of this music, we dislike just as much. So you hate synthpop and someone requests the new De/Vision? Let Aaron know!I bet he would love to play it. Hate playing Sisters of Mercy? Tell them about Me, ill play it, and show them a bunch of other cool gothy stuff.

For example, having a flyer with Saint and Hingst on it, we should expect alot more noise/synthpop driven sets that night than say Goth/Coldwave.

We should high light our individual talents instead of all playing a lot of the same stuff in a different order. OBVIOUSLY WE ALL CAN DO THAT, and arent bad at it. THIS ISNT TO SAY OTHER PEOPLE COULDNT DO WHAT OTHERS DO. I could maybe give saint a run for his money in a noise set (psh, id give ya a woopin ), but I dont have the passion he does for that music. Not by far

This is not to show how much of a genre snob we all are...This can help show people so much stuff as well as help cross promote each other. I hear from other people out of state that Detroit has a great music scene...lets live up to that expectation.

If I offended anyone, im sorry, but this is something I think we could at least give a try. Feel free to tell me I suck or im wrong.

Edited October 7, 2010 by DJ Nocker

[prick]

Damn good idea.

[DJ Saint]

Some excellent and very valid ideas that if exercised could really help promote the individual DJ's but more importantly the scene along with it's occasional genre-specific (ie: 80's retro, ethereal, goth, etc...) nights.

From a recent visit to NYC's Bank reunion, this scenario played out. A handful of DJ's was present, each known for spinning specific styles. Each DJ did two sets that night. Crowd was there in support of their fav DJ's but also stuck around as the other DJ's did there thing. Provided for a tremendously cool night of music.

One further point to emphasize is the crowd be educated as well as to who each DJ is and what they may specialize in. Those of you who have been going to the club for a while might want to help the newer kids in developing an understanding of who's who and their specialties. Chances are someone requesting a synth track is going to have a better chance of hearing it from a synth DJ versus a goth DJ.

Someone is certainly going to jump into this thread and mention the word variety. In each of these sub-genre's theirs still plenty of variety to be found and if the DJ's had a chance to expose a lot of their knowledge of there favorite genre, guaranteed you'd hear some phenomenal sets. (of course not implying that sets these days by our local DJ's are bad....)

Detroit's scene is incredibly lucky. There's not too many others out there (based from my travels and friends worldwide) that have a unique interaction/dialogue with their DJ's like you guys do on this board. Let's let this conversation continue to be productive in working towards getting the DJ's known for their individual styles.

[phee]

So what you are suggesting if I understand correctly... Is to try to work on an association with each of the DJ's names, sort of a specialty area for the sake of getting the word out there?

Is that correct?

[DJ Nocker]

So what you are suggesting if I understand correctly... Is to try to work on an association with each of the DJ's names, sort of a specialty area for the sake of getting the word out there?

Is that correct?

Im suggesting we act like all the other states/countries do with there DJ's, where they dont just say "He DJ's goth/industrial" They are more specific and high light the differences. They have diversity and individuality.

Everyplace else a flier will look something like this. for example purposes

DJ Nocker-

Goth/Deathrock/Batcave

DJ Justin Carver-

Minimal Synth/Coldwave

Around here we are all clumped into "Goth/Industrial". We dont have an identity really and are just all expected to play the same songs in a different order. In this town, we are all "goth/industrial" DJ's and there for are all expected to play wolfsheim.

Where as if I go to chicago and look at a flier, I see (insert DJ name) and read he is a wax trax DJ. Guess what, I should probably request a wax trax song and not ask him to play X-rx.

The scene in Detroit IS NOT goth/industrial. Its DARK DANCE with a ton of subgenres floating around. And people should know who prefers to do what.

[phee]

That makes sense.

[Darus313]

That makes sense.

Makes tonz of sense......

D

[DJ Nocker]

wel at least a few people see my logic -_-

[n0Mad]

Inigo Montoya: "Fezzik DJ Nocker, you did something right for once."

Fezzik DJ Nocker: "Don't worry Inigo; I won't let it go to my head."

[Destroit]

Im suggesting we act like all the other states/countries do with there DJ's, where they dont just say "He DJ's goth/industrial" They are more specific and high light the differences. They have diversity and individuality.

Everyplace else a flier will look something like this. for example purposes

DJ Nocker-

Goth/Deathrock/Batcave

DJ Justin Carver-

Minimal Synth/Coldwave

Around here we are all clumped into "Goth/Industrial". We dont have an identity really and are just all expected to play the same songs in a different order. In this town, we are all "goth/industrial" DJ's and there for are all expected to play wolfsheim.

Where as if I go to chicago and look at a flier, I see (insert DJ name) and read he is a wax trax DJ. Guess what, I should probably request a wax trax song and not ask him to play X-rx.

The scene in Detroit IS NOT goth/industrial. Its DARK DANCE with a ton of subgenres floating around. And people should know who prefers to do what.

I super approve Detroit needs a huge revival, and with most of our DJs working together to try to make the scene more legit, hopefully it will help. I personally do stray away from DJs that don't, I guess for lack of a better way to say it, fully even understand what it is they are playing, mislabel genres, or use generic terms such as just goth or industrial. Being specific aids to eliminate disappointment among patrons who, say, were mislead into thinking a night is going to be goth because some asshat simply labeled it "goth", throwing whatever generic out there, and then show up to find out everything is all EBM oontz oontz.

I super approve Detroit needs a huge revival, and with most of our DJs working together to try to make the scene more legit, hopefully it will help. I personally do stray away from DJs that don't, I guess for lack of a better way to say it, fully even understand what it is they are playing, mislabel genres, or use generic terms such as just goth or industrial. Being specific aids to eliminate disappointment among patrons who, say, were mislead into thinking a night is going to be goth because some asshat simply labeled it "goth", throwing whatever generic out there, and then show up to find out everything is all EBM oontz oontz.

[Joey Deadcat]

@ Nocker and Chernobyl...

[Necromanta]

What an idiot. Who comes up with these kinds of posts? Thinking is dangerous. Didn't you know?

[phee]

What an idiot. Who comes up with these kinds of posts? Thinking is dangerous. Didn't you know?

*holds head in shame*

Why can't we just go back to all the DJ's hating each other and going nowhere? That was so much fun! *sarcasm*

[Necromanta]

Exactly my point.

[phee]

Exactly my point.

Indeed.... lol

[DJ Nocker]

What an idiot. Who comes up with these kinds of posts? Thinking is dangerous. Didn't you know?

I know, it must be all those weird movies and music I listen to, get me thinking crazy thoughts...

[Epic_Fail_Guy]

yeah.. someone might actually play some good dark music OTHER than goth/industrial instead of trying to give each artist his own "sub genre" within the goth industrial genre. And that's not being unique and indvididual as per the rules of conforming to uncomformity lol.

[phee]

---SOME POSTS WERE DELETED IN THIS THREAD BECAUSE I GOT REALLY CONFUSED--- and the thread kind of got a little off topic.

[DJ Nocker]

---SOME POSTS WERE DELETED IN THIS THREAD BECAUSE I GOT REALLY CONFUSED--- and the thread kind of got a little off topic.

Thanks.

Back on topic...

I hope some of the DJ's who have not posted have at least taken the time to read this and give it some thought. It could do a lot of good for the scene...

[Epic_Fail_Guy]

LOL, didn't mean to throw this off topic, due to the first post saying MUSICAL DIVERSITY/INDIVIDUALITY, I was trying to say there's other stuff out there besides the strict sound alike goth/industrial "sub genres". I mean, if they can play lady gaga, why not some more rock/metal sounding stuff that still has a good dance beat to it?

[DJ Nocker]

LOL, didn't mean to throw this off topic, due to the first post saying MUSICAL DIVERSITY/INDIVIDUALITY, I was trying to say there's other stuff out there besides the strict sound alike goth/industrial "sub genres". I mean, if they can play lady gaga, why not some more rock/metal sounding stuff that still has a good dance beat to it?

Oh

My

God

How many times do we have to state that the Lady Gaga track IS A JOKE!?

It was meant to be funny, like when I finish my goth/post-punk sets with Tarzan Boy by Baltimora. Im taking one track to lighten the mood or say "im done, go get a drink or something". And rock/metal is not even part of the sub genres of the "goth/industrial" subculture. Also, its hard enough getting people to dance to a goth track that has not already been a hit for 20 years. The DJ's would rather stick to the sub-genres then go left field and play Disturbed or Korn.

EDIT

And there IS a DJ in our scene who DOES incorporate that stuff into his sets, he is just from Ohio, DJ Darks Choir. Again, individuality.

Edited October 17, 2010 by DJ Nocker

[Epic_Fail_Guy]

Oh

My

God

How many times do we have to state that the Lady Gaga track IS A JOKE!?

It was meant to be funny, like when I finish my goth/post-punk sets with Tarzan Boy by Baltimora. Im taking one track to lighten the mood or say "im done, go get a drink or something". And rock/metal is not even part of the sub genres of the "goth/industrial" subculture. Also, its hard enough getting people to dance to a goth track that has not already been a hit for 20 years. The D's would rather stick to the sub-genres then go left field and play Disturbed or Korn

ok first up, that's the first time I heard it was supposed to be meant as a joke. And I know what I mentioned isn't part of the sub genre. And I'm not talking about disturbed or korn. That's obviously not good dance music.

I was saying broaden your horizons than just goth industrial. That's why I don't even go out clubbing when I'm in michigan anymore. goth industrial is fine but that's ALL that's been played. I'm bored with hearing the same sound over and over the past few years where even the sub genres all sound the same to me now.

[phee]

Lady Gaga is a joke??? Oh noes panic.....

Yeah... CC of the 90's was a lot more flexible then now. I remember when a person could go in and in the course of an hour hear Apop, Korn, Primus, ICP, Alien Sex Fiend, and Skinny Puppy... those were the days.

A solution to that is kind of what Nocker is saying though... If you have two DJ's in one night... one is DJ LeatherPuppy242Assembly the "old skool industrial"DJ... and the other is DJ OontzEuroVNVCombiwolfshiem... the "EBM synthpop" DJ then the people who love DJ FearKornClutchMarilynPig will know to stay home. Or vice versa.

[DJ Nocker]

ok first up, that's the first time I heard it was supposed to be meant as a joke. And I know what I mentioned isn't part of the sub genre. And I'm not talking about disturbed or korn. That's obviously not good dance music.

I was saying broaden your horizons than just goth industrial. That's why I don't even go out clubbing when I'm in michigan anymore. goth industrial is fine but that's ALL that's been played. I'm bored with hearing the same sound over and over the past few years where even the sub genres all sound the same to me now.

*sigh* and this is what I mean by my idea also helping with spreading knowledge of the music of the scene...because (NO OFFENCE, I MEAN IT) what you just said shows me that you dont know what your talking about. TBH, you here barely ANY goth in the bars anymore (especially new stuff). And you hear ZERO deathrock (although that doesnt bother me as I dont like deathrock to much...) Nor do you hear any psycho-billy or horror punk or coldwave, all sub genres that "sound the same". I could go on...

What you mostly here is a lot of synthpop and harder EBM (which is what industrial has pretty much evolved into). And trust me. even with that stuff, there is a huge difference between VnV Nation and Terrorfakt. They dont sound the same...

[Epic_Fail_Guy]

I like that, it's a start, instead of them all fighting over which artist each plays, they all pic different artists each will play on their own that way it's not like we hear Dead Enough for Life 500 times like I did 2 years ago. It's still not getting past the goth industrial conformist rules which is, in my opinion, the biggest problem. I'm not a DJ, so I'm not saying I'm so much greater. It's just food for thought, you all want uniqueness in your playlists, but have narrowed your sights to such a limited horizon that ya'll only got a handful of bands between all of you, so it's no wonder why you're squabbling over who plays what.

Sadly Phee, the 90's are dead and gone. I don't think City will ever see the awesome musical diversity that made it so great to begin with.