Politically Correct in America

[Destroit]

You are beautiful and do not look like a "fat slob". I know how it feels from my past experience on a combination of depakote and the birth control shot, I also ballooned up very quickly. Pyschotrops are the worst. Don't get me wrong if we need them we need them, I found one that works for me, after like 10 plus years, so far no weight gain but it's only been a month and I am on something else that is probably countering that effect.

Yeah the reason I stopped emphasizing as much on the aesthetics of weight and more on the health itself is because many people's values of aesthetics are different, especially depending on the culture.

Case in point: I honestly TRUELY believe myself to look like a fat nasty slob. I'm 40 lbs overweight. I am the FATTEST person in my family by a LOT. I was made fun of my whole life by family members and friends, to which I am GLAD about because if I was told "oh it's not about your weight" or "ohh, how you look on the outside doesn't matter to anyone, it's what's inside that counts (because we ALL know the rest of society thinks that way ) I would have never lost my weight. As a matter of fact if people would have even sat me down and talked to me like Glory talks to her daughter...I am such a hardass I STILL would not have gotten it. It took total brutality and meanness to facilitate change, and I realize that not everyone is like this, some people will have the OPPOSITE reaction and actually get bigger and feel less motivated if people are mean to them about it. It all goes on the individual.

As a society, most people believe that an hour-glass figure is aesthetically pleasing as opposed to an obese figure, pear-shaped figure, apple-shaped figure, or a boyish figure. As harsh as it is, there are only a handful of people who prefer bigger people to skinny people (case in point: I have met thousands of people in my life, easily, and only three I know of EVER in my life prefer bigger to thinner). There are evolutionary reasons behind this, most males are hardwired to want a female who is healthy and will bare healthy offspring. Even if you are a male who does not desire children, your inner-wiring will most likely find these types of females as beautiful whereas obese females will not be deemed beautiful in your eyes. The reason we find thin people aesthetically pleasing and, as mean as it sounds, bigger people as "disgusting" or "sloppy" is because it is a reflection of our INNER health, inner strength (i.e. the ability to have self-control which may play out in other areas of life such as fidelity, drugs, hobbies, impulse spending, etc), and how we feel about ourselves.

Females tend to want men who aren't necessarily HUGELY muscular, but show some muscle, show tone, etc. Some prefer huge muscles, some prefer smaller muscles, etc. In the cave days muscles were OUR protection for us and our children. If you had a man who was fat and not in shape...your life was in DANGER. Even though that system is not necessarily in play today so heavily in modern societies, we still have that evolutionary hardwiring to desire males who are at least fit and not fat.

Being politically correct and trying to make everyone happy has skewed our views and instincts on the matter. While there will always be a small amount of people who desire what is NOT the norm, most are not those people, and having society constantly try to shove "bigger people are pretty on the outside too!" type rhetoric creates inner-conflict among us all. Hence the honesty and why it is so important. Not only do people feel better physically and have physically better health when thin, they are also sexually desired on a much higher level.

I've personally noticed that the obesity problem in the past ten years has been very much female-oriented. I have seen it encouraged, however, by fathers, mothers and ESPECIALLY husbands/boyfriends that are too afraid of hurting the feeling of someone they care about. What they don't realize is that sometimes, hurt feelings, or at least honesty, lets the person know that they have clear room for improvement and what they are choosing as their lifestyle is not going to be accepted by most people in society.

So men, the next time your lady asks "Does this make my ass look fat?" and you think in your mind 'No...your big ass makes your ass look fat." SAY IT. Be nice, but let her know! As women we're asking BECAUSE we want your honest opinion. If we're just fishing for compliments then, well, we're asking for it imo. By saying "no honey, you look BEAUTIFUL" you are quelling your own desires, what you would REALLY like to say, lying to your SO, and not helping to solve the issue but rather enabling it.

With that said...anyone have any other issues to address besides weight? I did list other things in the initial thread, but people started zeroing in on the F word. There's no issues with that, if you feel as though you have an opinion on the overweight/obesity epidemic and the fact that Americans encourage it instead of trying to remedy the problem, that obviously open for discussion. But I would also like to hear opinions on other things such as prejudice, the fact that we are trying to completely deny the fact that humans are naturally aggressive and competitive, how we're able to raise our own children, how OTHERS are (wrongfully) raising their children and we're biting our tongues on it, etc. Let loose!

Yeah the reason I stopped emphasizing as much on the aesthetics of weight and more on the health itself is because many people's values of aesthetics are different, especially depending on the culture.

Case in point: I honestly TRUELY believe myself to look like a fat nasty slob. I'm 40 lbs overweight. I am the FATTEST person in my family by a LOT. I was made fun of my whole life by family members and friends, to which I am GLAD about because if I was told "oh it's not about your weight" or "ohh, how you look on the outside doesn't matter to anyone, it's what's inside that counts (because we ALL know the rest of society thinks that way ) I would have never lost my weight. As a matter of fact if people would have even sat me down and talked to me like Glory talks to her daughter...I am such a hardass I STILL would not have gotten it. It took total brutality and meanness to facilitate change, and I realize that not everyone is like this, some people will have the OPPOSITE reaction and actually get bigger and feel less motivated if people are mean to them about it. It all goes on the individual.

As a society, most people believe that an hour-glass figure is aesthetically pleasing as opposed to an obese figure, pear-shaped figure, apple-shaped figure, or a boyish figure. As harsh as it is, there are only a handful of people who prefer bigger people to skinny people (case in point: I have met thousands of people in my life, easily, and only three I know of EVER in my life prefer bigger to thinner). There are evolutionary reasons behind this, most males are hardwired to want a female who is healthy and will bare healthy offspring. Even if you are a male who does not desire children, your inner-wiring will most likely find these types of females as beautiful whereas obese females will not be deemed beautiful in your eyes. The reason we find thin people aesthetically pleasing and, as mean as it sounds, bigger people as "disgusting" or "sloppy" is because it is a reflection of our INNER health, inner strength (i.e. the ability to have self-control which may play out in other areas of life such as fidelity, drugs, hobbies, impulse spending, etc), and how we feel about ourselves.

Females tend to want men who aren't necessarily HUGELY muscular, but show some muscle, show tone, etc. Some prefer huge muscles, some prefer smaller muscles, etc. In the cave days muscles were OUR protection for us and our children. If you had a man who was fat and not in shape...your life was in DANGER. Even though that system is not necessarily in play today so heavily in modern societies, we still have that evolutionary hardwiring to desire males who are at least fit and not fat.

Being politically correct and trying to make everyone happy has skewed our views and instincts on the matter. While there will always be a small amount of people who desire what is NOT the norm, most are not those people, and having society constantly try to shove "bigger people are pretty on the outside too!" type rhetoric creates inner-conflict among us all. Hence the honesty and why it is so important. Not only do people feel better physically and have physically better health when thin, they are also sexually desired on a much higher level.

I've personally noticed that the obesity problem in the past ten years has been very much female-oriented. I have seen it encouraged, however, by fathers, mothers and ESPECIALLY husbands/boyfriends that are too afraid of hurting the feeling of someone they care about. What they don't realize is that sometimes, hurt feelings, or at least honesty, lets the person know that they have clear room for improvement and what they are choosing as their lifestyle is not going to be accepted by most people in society.

So men, the next time your lady asks "Does this make my ass look fat?" and you think in your mind 'No...your big ass makes your ass look fat." SAY IT. Be nice, but let her know! As women we're asking BECAUSE we want your honest opinion. If we're just fishing for compliments then, well, we're asking for it imo. By saying "no honey, you look BEAUTIFUL" you are quelling your own desires, what you would REALLY like to say, lying to your SO, and not helping to solve the issue but rather enabling it.

With that said...anyone have any other issues to address besides weight? I did list other things in the initial thread, but people started zeroing in on the F word. There's no issues with that, if you feel as though you have an opinion on the overweight/obesity epidemic and the fact that Americans encourage it instead of trying to remedy the problem, that obviously open for discussion. But I would also like to hear opinions on other things such as prejudice, the fact that we are trying to completely deny the fact that humans are naturally aggressive and competitive, how we're able to raise our own children, how OTHERS are (wrongfully) raising their children and we're biting our tongues on it, etc. Let loose!

[Destroit]

i actually just had this conversation with one of the girls in the store that i'm doing a remodel for she said a "new list" came out and for those who have disabilities or imparements and there are the 2010 politically correct terms i shit you not

deaf---NOPE its offensive you are now audio-impaired

mute-nope you are verbally challenged

blind- wrong agian you are optically-impaired

they even have one for what soe people view as unattractive or I.E. ugly

you are now aesthetically challenged

o.0 wow....

I agree that things such as this are bullshit. For instance, the word "retarded". Back in the day people would say retard as an insult, and many still do. In order to remedy the problem we started using "mentally challenged". What is this going to do? Make the phrase "mentally challenged" an insult over time because people like to make fun of people who are not deemed intelligent. Not all of us do, but many are in that boat. Changing the phrase is not solving anything. There is honestly no real way to solve this, imo, except raising your children to realize that it's wrong to do so. But as long as we have mentally challenged people on this Earth, they WILL be made fun of by others with self-esteem issues no matter what it is they are called.

I agree that things such as this are bullshit. For instance, the word "retarded". Back in the day people would say retard as an insult, and many still do. In order to remedy the problem we started using "mentally challenged". What is this going to do? Make the phrase "mentally challenged" an insult over time because people like to make fun of people who are not deemed intelligent. Not all of us do, but many are in that boat. Changing the phrase is not solving anything. There is honestly no real way to solve this, imo, except raising your children to realize that it's wrong to do so. But as long as we have mentally challenged people on this Earth, they WILL be made fun of by others with self-esteem issues no matter what it is they are called.

[creatureofthenyte]

I am politically incorrect sometimes.

[Glory13666]

I think that the recent hype about the bullying and suicides is all about political correctness in a way. Neither bullying nor suicide are new things, they've been going on forever. We try to protect our kids too much and they can't handle it anymore. They're wimps. Now, I'm not trying to put down the kids that committed suicide, I meant the generation as a whole. I'm sure what those kids were enduring was horrible. They probably didn't have any family support and no one to turn to. I still think that this isn't a new phenomenon. I bet that throughout history teens have killed themselves because of bullying more often than anything else. It's just that the media has hyped it up and now it's the politically correct thing to "be aware". Hopefully, it will make a difference.

[TheGimp]

I agree that things such as this are bullshit. For instance, the word "retarded". Back in the day people would say retard as an insult, and many still do. In order to remedy the problem we started using "mentally challenged". What is this going to do? Make the phrase "mentally challenged" an insult over time because people like to make fun of people who are not deemed intelligent. Not all of us do, but many are in that boat. Changing the phrase is not solving anything. There is honestly no real way to solve this, imo, except raising your children to realize that it's wrong to do so. But as long as we have mentally challenged people on this Earth, they WILL be made fun of by others with self-esteem issues no matter what it is they are called.

you are politically incorrect right there....mentally challenged is now an insult dear Cher...tsk tsk on you....all kidding aside i really forgot to add that in there you are no longer mentally challenged you are Developmentally Impaired >.< and i agree its nothing more then people with low self a steam fucking with people they consider below themselves, and the people that try to change half the time, don't have a disability or even know a person with said disablity they just have nothing better to do >.<

[Slogo]

Honestly, I'd have no problem referring to some of these people as developmentally disabled. I wouldn't want someone to call me something I don't like either...However, can they please please please come up with something that has a few less syllables? I can understand why people use "retarded". It's short. So let's come up with something new for those who're developmentally disabled.

DD

Devdis

Double D

D-Dubbs (we getting gangsta here)

Edited October 22, 2010 by Slogo

[prick]

+1.

I hate all label's. BBW, MILF, cougar, "spinner". Oh, but one thing I really hate, the phrase "baby mama" or "baby daddy".

WTF, you don't know the person's name who you procreated with? I bet your ass knew that person's name when you both were in the middle of creating that baby.

I hate, hate, hate baby mama or baby daddy. There should at least be an S at the end of baby to make it better. Thats my babies daddy is a bit better.

[phee]

Seems to fit here: http://www.theonion.com/articles/tea-party-plans-to-recruit-more-coloreds-this-fall,18296/