UFC 121: Lesnar Vs Velasquez

[Invictus]

Anyone watching? Any predictions for the card? I'm interested to see how well Shields does on the big stage.

[Invictus]

Well, that went pretty much as I expected.

[Raev]

It went pretty much how I had hoped.

[amalthea23]

I'm looking forward to the rematch. Lesnar seems really committed to the sport and I think he'll take it as a learning experience.

[Invictus]

I'm looking forward to the rematch. Lesnar seems really committed to the sport and I think he'll take it as a learning experience.

I hope so, but he seemed not to adapt between his fight with Carwin and the fight with Velasquez. He's just not accustomed to people pressuring him, and since he's pretty much the top dog at his camp, there's no one there to press him in sparring.

[TheGimp]

I hope so, but he seemed not to adapt between his fight with Carwin and the fight with Velasquez. He's just not accustomed to people pressuring him, and since he's pretty much the top dog at his camp, there's no one there to press him in sparring.

agreed, however i know its hard to say rather then do...and even though i have toooooons of actual wrestling experince and as much as id like to get into MMA II'm ganna have to get my ass in shape...and even if i was a heavy weight, and in top physical condition....and i KNOW sparring with Brock would make me better....i prolly still wouldnt wanna....cuz i wouldnt wanna get Powend

[Musashi]

The thing about MMA that just bothers the living hell outta me (you guys are gonna hate me for this) is the greater emphasis on athleticism and and the fact that it is a sport. There have been some who say things like "with MMA the world is finally being introduced to martial arts on a large scale." That is entirely untrue. Most of the fighters have little to no respect for the arts (from what I've seen) and the UFC is slowly but surely becoming the new WWF. It's become more about who has more defined muscles and can talk the most crap than it is about the martial arts themselves. Granted, being in peak physical shape is important, but what everyone seems to have forgotten is that the technique, the understanding, and the mental alacrity required for true martial arts is the core of all "true" martial arts. I hear about twice as much about fighters' physical stats than how they are at the art style they practice. Even watching these fights (disclaimer: there are some phenominal fighters with amazing technique that I have seen), many of these fighters have extremely sloppy technique and use just plain stupid strategy. I mean how can this guy (random fight I saw, don't know who it was) possibly think that a sloppy roundhouse kick aimed at the head would be a good first strike to use? I almost never see anyone following through. Just a punch or two then back off. Or one (badly aimed and poorly balanced) kick then back off. All until the grappling starts. There doesn't seem to be any finesse or flow. Just who can overpower who. Raw strength should not be placed above technique and strategy in order of importance.

I know, I know. I'm sorry for being that guy. The way martial arts are starting to be viewed though is just starting to make me sick. Thousands of years of tradition and proven technique taking a back seat to muscles, tatoos, talking smack, and media hype. I'd like to see some of these guys who have bee in the circuit for two or three years get in the ring with a real master who's been practicing for 30 years, but looks like he could get crushed by a sneeze.

Rant over. Again sorry. Not meaning to be inflammatory. Just throwing it out there that americanized martial arts have strayed from a true path to...well WWF I guess.

[amalthea23]

I don't really think mma is supposed to be "americanized martial arts." I also don't think the definition of martial arts they're using is the same as the one you are. By "martial arts," you're referring to ancient traditions, judo, karate, jujitsu, etc., but in this sport it literally means "mixed martial arts" that is, various kinds of warlike activities adapted to being used in a controlled, cage environment within a certain set of rules. Regardless, this is largely a matter of taste, as for Lesnar, I agree he didn't adapt as well as he should, however, bear in mind, he JUST started his career and he is, for all intents and purposes, a KID. When keeping those things in mind, he's amazing, and I look forward to seeing what a mature, experienced Lesnar brings to the table.

[Destroit]

UFC = Ultimate Fuckin' Cuddlin' :

Now I'm going to scamper away from this thread before I get the standard guy reaction to my interpretation of the acronym (usually something like "UFC IS NOT GAY! IT IS SUPER SERIOUL BIZNESS OMFG HOW COULD YOU?!?! I <3 WATCHING LESNAR HUG, ERM, FIGHT VELASQUEZ!)

TRUST me...UFC is clearly geared toward a female audience because if it weren't then why would there be toned dudes hugging each other on the floor and rubbing junks while shirtless?

UFC = Ultimate Fuckin' Cuddlin' :

Now I'm going to scamper away from this thread before I get the standard guy reaction to my interpretation of the acronym (usually something like "UFC IS NOT GAY! IT IS SUPER SERIOUL BIZNESS OMFG HOW COULD YOU?!?! I <3 WATCHING LESNAR HUG, ERM, FIGHT VELASQUEZ!)

TRUST me...UFC is clearly geared toward a female audience because if it weren't then why would there be toned dudes hugging each other on the floor and rubbing junks while shirtless?

[Musashi]

I don't really think mma is supposed to be "americanized martial arts." I also don't think the definition of martial arts they're using is the same as the one you are. By "martial arts," you're referring to ancient traditions, judo, karate, jujitsu, etc., but in this sport it literally means "mixed martial arts" that is, various kinds of warlike activities adapted to being used in a controlled, cage environment within a certain set of rules. Regardless, this is largely a matter of taste, as for Lesnar, I agree he didn't adapt as well as he should, however, bear in mind, he JUST started his career and he is, for all intents and purposes, a KID. When keeping those things in mind, he's amazing, and I look forward to seeing what a mature, experienced Lesnar brings to the table.

Ok. Put that way, it does make more sense. I am glad that there are people that view it in such a way. There are, however, many, many people that view mma as the culmination andnew way of martial arts. I suppose that more than anything else is what upsets me. The people that don't know the difference between MMA and "Martial Arts". Thank you for your input on that. Very well said.

[TheGimp]

i think theres prolly only one man in UFC that truly respects the sport and enjoys the MMA and that would be Anderson Silva....that man is a god in the ring....well two men that respect the sport i think GSP has much respect for MMA as well...

[KatRN05]

Can't wait until next Saturday. I'm going to the fight at the Palace. It's gonna be fucking awesome.