The Republicans took the house.

[Scar My Machine]

To a racist.... half black and black are one in the same.

Hmmmmmm, I am sick of old, rich white guys being either elected or nominated for the office of the presidency.

Am I a racist for that? *I voted for Obama BTW*

I voted for Obama because I knew after seeing him speak a few times he had at least 70% more intelligence than that old rich white guy that served before him. And I knew he could do a better job *despite any conservatives pissing and moaning - they do that all the time anyway imo*

But back to my original point here, I am sick of the GOP nominating OLD, RICH, WHITE GUYS because they are so out of touch with reality and main street America.

My prediction - the GOP would NEVER - nominate a man or woman of any skin color other than Caucasian. Call me a jerk for saying it but I just feel that the reason is because they feel only old rich white men can be members of their exclusive club.

I'll wait for them to prove me wrong.

[KatRN05]

I think it's ridiculous to assume that all Republicans are "rich, white men". I'm actually sick of reading it and people claiming that to be the ultimate truth. I actually didn't know that being "rich" was a requirement to be a Republican. Only saying this because my parents who are not rich, are in fact Republicans.

Edited November 7, 2010 by KatRN05

[Scar My Machine]

I think it's ridiculous to assume that all Republicans are "rich, white men". I'm actually sick of reading it and people claiming that to be the ultimate truth. I actually didn't know that being "rich" was a requirement to be a Republican. Only saying this because my parents who are not rich, are in fact Republicans.

I was talking about those that are nominated to run for election for the presidency. I never said anything about the members of the party in general. Please go back and read my post.

Show me where those nominated by the GOP where not old, wealthy and white please.

At least with the Dems and indies there's seems to be more of a chance to get your foot in the door but from what I've seem from the republican's - if you wanna be nominated to run for the job of president you'd better meet the following criteria, you must be white, wealthy and (don't know what their hang up is here but) near retirement age. Like, wtf?

McCain? Wow, he was the best they could dig up last time? Had they waited a few years, they prolly would have to dig him up and put his remains out there to run for office.

Don't know about you but, I don't want someone that was born in 1925 running this country for many reasons. Let's get someone born a little more recent thus having knowledge of how things really are in America since Vietnam.

[phenom]

I voted for Obama because I knew after seeing him speak a few times he had at least 70% more intelligence than that old rich white guy that served before him

My prediction - the GOP would NEVER - nominate a man or woman of any skin color other than Caucasian. Call me a jerk for saying it but I just feel that the reason is because they feel only old rich white men can be members of their exclusive club.

I'll wait for them to prove me wrong.

Well, first: You voted for Obama because you liked how he spoke. Thanks for proving the point about the majority of Obama voters. 'He sounds intelligent, so what if he has accomplished nothing in his few years in the senate other than trying to deny Americans their rights.

And, the GOP attempted to nominate Allen Keys back in 2000. But he didn't make it out of the primary's.. maybe because he was an old rich white guy... I mean a rich black guy. Oh, rich... no one likes rich people, no matter the color. Damn them for being successful... why can't they just do nothing and blame society for their problems like REAL American!?

I'll wait for them to prove me wrong.

[KatRN05]

I just wish they would pick better candidates instead of these crazy-ass ultra conservatives like Palin and Angle.

Edited November 7, 2010 by KatRN05

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Old rich white men like...

Tim Scott

or

Jennifer Carroll

or

Allen West

or how about..

screw it... I could do this all day long. I'll just fall back to the greatest black Republican that ever lived..

Edited November 7, 2010 by Gaf The Horse With Tears

[phenom]

Edited November 7, 2010 by phenom

[Scar My Machine]

Well, first: You voted for Obama because you liked how he spoke. Thanks for proving the point about the majority of Obama voters. 'He sounds intelligent, so what if he has accomplished nothing in his few years in the senate other than trying to deny Americans their rights.

And, the GOP attempted to nominate Allen Keys back in 2000. But he didn't make it out of the primary's.. maybe because he was an old rich white guy... I mean a rich black guy. Oh, rich... no one likes rich people, no matter the color. Damn them for being successful... why can't they just do nothing and blame society for their problems like REAL American!?

Your last statement seems to be the classic one most conservatives give when running out of ammo - simply because someone says they are sick of rich and wealthy people running the this country, attack them in a more juvenile manner. And by that I mean, you are assuming that my complaint must be because I am doing nothing and blaming others right? Hmmmm, thanks for the assumption.

When the republican party nominates someone other than the classic old, wealthy - white guy to run for election (now get this clear conservatives) when that non stereo type is ACTUALLY in the running for that job title, come back and discuss with me how wrong I am and how right you are that your party isn't narrow minded dogma following conservatives (the party leaders are whom I am referring to ok).

You can argue about the few people in the group that are different and represent other minorities but until they actually show they are willing to walk a different path it's all talk.

Thank you.

[phee]

Well, first: You voted for Obama because you liked how he spoke. Thanks for proving the point about the majority of Obama voters. 'He sounds intelligent, so what if he has accomplished nothing in his few years in the senate other than trying to deny Americans their rights.

Now who is making an over-generalization?

[Scar My Machine]

Well, first: You voted for Obama because you liked how he spoke. Thanks for proving the point about the majority of Obama voters. 'He sounds intelligent, so what if he has accomplished nothing in his few years in the senate other than trying to deny Americans their rights.

And to this I say, after 8 years of having a half mumbling idiot talking about women showing their love to their obgyn's it's nice to have an intelligent speaking president in office. It makes a difference and I can see why the right is not happy, I guess you would rather Bush the 3rd become president.

Shall I post all the moronic statements Bush made over his two terms in office or shall we all just agree at what a terrible public speaker he was?

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Your last statement seems to be the classic one most conservatives give when running out of ammo - simply because someone says they are sick of rich and wealthy people running the this country, attack them in a more juvenile manner. And by that I mean, you are assuming that my complaint must be because I am doing nothing and blaming others right? Hmmmm, thanks for the assumption.

When the republican party nominates someone other than the classic old, wealthy - white guy to run for election (now get this clear conservatives) when that non stereo type is ACTUALLY in the running for that job title, come back and discuss with me how wrong I am and how right you are that your party isn't narrow minded dogma following conservatives (the party leaders are whom I am referring to ok).

You can argue about the few people in the group that are different and represent other minorities but until they actually show they are willing to walk a different path it's all talk.

Thank you.

The leader of the republican party is a black man. Republicans were first to put a woman on the national ticket. And while we at it, it was republicans that fought to give women the right to vote... Just like they did with black people... After they abolished slavery that is. Get over your misinformed bigotry.

Edited November 7, 2010 by Gaf The Horse With Tears

[Scar My Machine]

Get over your misinformed bigotry.

I'm a bigot? Really? You know this to be a fact? You know me so well that you decided it is ok to post this?

My comment was as follows......."when the republican party produces a minority candidate that is actually running for president, come talk to me about how wrong I am.

But your statement that "I'm a bigot" really makes me think that you are acting like a bigot by name calling. Thanks for reducing this discussion to an elementary level as I did not call you any names.

[phee]

Keep it civil please.... thank you

[Scar My Machine]

And while we at it, it was republicans that fought to give women the right to vote...

Where did you get your info from if I may ask? From what I've read it was President Wilson (D) whom endorsed the 19th Amendment on January 9, 1918 allowing women the right to vote.

Gerrit Smith made woman suffrage a plank in the Liberty Party platform on June 14–15, 1848.

On January 12, 1915, a suffrage bill was brought before the House of Representatives but was lost by a vote of 174 to 204. Again a bill was brought before the House, on January 10, 1918. On the evening before, President Wilson made a strong and widely published appeal to the House to pass the bill. It was passed with one more vote than was needed to make the necessary two-thirds majority. The vote was then carried into the Senate. Again President Wilson made an appeal, and on September 30, 1918, the question was put to the vote, but two votes were lacking to make the two-thirds majority. On February 10, 1919, it was again voted upon, and then it was lost by only one vote.

There was considerable anxiety among politicians of both parties to have the amendment passed and made effective before the general elections of 1920, so the President called a special session of Congress, and a bill, introducing the amendment, was brought before the House again. On May 21, 1919, it was passed, 42 votes more than necessary being obtained. On June 4, 1919, it was brought before the Senate, and after a long discussion it was passed, with 56 ayes and 25 nays. It only remained that the necessary number of states should ratify the action of Congress. Within a few days Illinois, Wisconsin and Michigan, their legislatures being then in session, passed the ratifications. Other states then followed their examples, and Tennessee was the last of the needed 36 states to ratify, in the summer of 1920. The Nineteenth Amendment to the Constitution was an accomplished fact, and the Presidential election of November 1920 was therefore the first occasion on which women in all states were allowed to exercise their right of suffrage.[41]

History reports are claiming that President Wilson was pushing the 19th amendment and Wilson was a Dem. - haven't found any statements pro claiming any republican leaders fighting for the 19th amendment but I will keep looking.

If you would be so kind as to post a link showing me this information.

[phenom]

Hmm, good public speaker vs. fiscally-responsible

You're right. We defiantly need someone that will impress us with words instead of action. How could I have been so foolish.

"Hey, I can talk really well! Never-mind that I have absolutely NO experience for the job I am applying!"

[phee]

Hmm, good public speaker vs. fiscally-responsible

You're right. We defiantly need someone that will impress us with words instead of action. How could I have been so foolish.

"Hey, I can talk really well! Never-mind that I have absolutely NO experience for the job I am applying!"

Not really trying to talk about Bush.... but he was neither

And since McCain was pretty much Bush part 3...

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Where did you get your info from if I may ask? From what I've read it was President Wilson (D) whom endorsed the 19th Amendment on January 9, 1918 allowing women the right to vote.

Gerrit Smith made woman suffrage a plank in the Liberty Party platform on June 14–15, 1848.

History reports are claiming that President Wilson was pushing the 19th amendment and Wilson was a Dem. - haven't found any statements pro claiming any republican leaders fighting for the 19th amendment but I will keep looking.

If you would be so kind as to post a link showing me this information.

Old news papers, the congressional record and history books. It's also where I learned that the President has no role in the Admendment Process.

The first time Republicans tried to pass the 19th Admendment pass was in 1878. The effort was spearheaded by Republican Senator A. A. Sargent of California with the backing of Susam B. Anthony. Democrats held the majority in Senate. They voted it down. 4 times.

In 1919 Republicans took control of the Senate. Both houses of Congress pass the resolution by May of that year. It was sent to the states. 36 States Ratified it. All but 10 were controlled by Republicans. Of the 9 states that voted against it... 8 were controlled by Democrats.

[the eternal]

Well, first: You voted for Obama because you liked how he spoke. Thanks for proving the point about the majority of Obama voters. <blah blah angry over generalizations about the other side>

Oh, please let it be Machine's new handle since getting banned. It's no fun when you don't have a guy so far right wing he likens gays to pedophiles, around.

[Slogo]

I will back up Gaf on this (to a point...don't get too excited)

Wilson did sign suffrage into law...however, Republicans were very responsible for it getting passed. BUT...In the early 20th century The Republican Party was the party of progressiveness. Progressives such as Bob LaFollette(sp) and Theodore Roosevelt (the most prominent man in favor of suffrage and my favorite president) were from the Republican Party.

But, to be completely honest it's hard to compare any party now with the same party of over 100 years ago. It's doubtful Andrew Jackson would have a place in the Democratic Party today and it's doubtful that TR would have a place in any party today (seeing as he didn't even have major party support 4 years after he left office).

This class is adjourned. Now, I expect a paper from all of you on Thursday about the impact of...PHEE! STOP FOOLING AROUND BACK THERE!...about the impact of the Panama Canal in the 1910's.

Edited November 7, 2010 by Slogo

[the eternal]

That's true.

We have racist Dixiecrats who in the middle of the 20th century became Republicans (in response to Truman's desegregation of the army) and then, in light of this Richard Nixon using the "southern strategy" to get racists to join the GOP, and get him elected. Reagan used it in the 80s as well.

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Although the phrase "Southern strategy" is often attributed to Nixon political strategist Kevin Phillips, he did not originate it,[1] but merely popularized it.[2] In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, he touched on its essence:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.[3]

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There's a reason why most (as in 75-95%) African Americans will vote Democrat, even when it's this guy

And a few minorities elected to Congress aren't going to change that.

But I DO appreciate many in the GOP leadership trying to move past this.

Edited November 8, 2010 by the eternal

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I will back up Gaf on this (to a point...don't get too excited)

Wilson did sign suffrage into law...however, Republicans were very responsible for it getting passed. BUT...In the early 20th century The Republican Party was the party of progressiveness. Progressives such as Bob LaFollette(sp) and Theodore Roosevelt (the most prominent man in favor of suffrage and my favorite president) were from the Republican Party.

But, to be completely honest it's hard to compare any party now with the same party of over 100 years ago. It's doubtful Andrew Jackson would have a place in the Democratic Party today and it's doubtful that TR would have a place in any party today (seeing as he didn't even have major party support 4 years after he left office).

This class is adjourned. Now, I expect a paper from all of you on Thursday about the impact of...PHEE! STOP FOOLING AROUND BACK THERE!...about the impact of the Panama Canal in the 1910's.

Wilson did not sign the 19th Admendment into law. The President is NOT part of the Admendment process... at all. No President has ever signed any Admendment into law. It's not within thier powers.

[Slogo]

Wilson did not sign the 19th Admendment into law. The President is NOT part of the Admendment process... at all. No President has ever signed any Admendment into law. It's not within thier powers.

Sorry...got kinda caught up in my ramblings...he didn't sign it into law but he did push hard for it

[phee]

http://tv.gawker.com/5683124/bill-mahers-harsh-critique-of-the-stewartcolbert-rally

watch the video..... I think he has some good points.

[Scar My Machine]

Bill Maher knows what he's saying.

[Scar My Machine]

Hmm, good public speaker vs. fiscally-responsible

You're right. We defiantly need someone that will impress us with words instead of action. How could I have been so foolish.

"Hey, I can talk really well! Never-mind that I have absolutely NO experience for the job I am applying!"

Our countries first few presidents had no experience so I suppose they were horrible presidents right?

George Washington must have been a moron even though he was only the commander of an army, he had no political experience what so ever.

And, my statement was only a partial one and thank you for jumping the gun. I'd rather see a well educated person in office than someone that can't get through a sentence which tells me if that person can't get their thoughts together long enough to get a point across how in the world are they gonna run this country?

So how can one get experience being the leader of this country when you can only get that experience by doing the job?

Bush had no experience being president before his first term, neither did any of the other presidents.

Being a senator only gives you experience in the senate just like general worker doesn't make you a manager of a business.