Fashion vrs Music

[DJ Nocker]

Inspired by another thread...

IN YOUR OPINION, what is more important to the community, the fashion side or the music side, both are huge parts of the scene as a whole, but what holds more standing? Back in the day (and still to me) Music was the driving emotion of the scene, and it was the backbone to...Most of the time (at least these days) I dont really dress the part, but take a look at my Ipod and the music speaks for itself.

[n0Mad]

The attitude.

[phee]

I think that when things are working... the fashion follows the music... In most cases when a newer form of music starts to emerge, there is no "look" to it, the music simply is. Eventually however, people start dressing like the musicians do (weather it had anything to do with the music or not) or they start dressing up like other people do in the pictures... etc...

[Raev]

The attitude.

Game, set, match.

Back in the day, I remember having this conversation (about 17 years ago) and the answer was the same then too.

[DJ Nocker]

I think that when things are working... the fashion follows the music... In most cases when a newer form of music starts to emerge, there is no "look" to it, the music simply is. Eventually however, people start dressing like the musicians do (weather it had anything to do with the music or not) or they start dressing up like other people do in the pictures... etc...

Bauhaus (creators of genre for the most part) didnt dress "goth" for a long time. just sayin...

Also, define "the attitude" lol

Edited November 15, 2010 by DJ Nocker

[Destroit]

The infatuation of inner-darkness and all things decrepit/eerie and the outward reflection of such feelings and attitude. Fashion and music tend to be the highest points of that outside reflection of inner-darkness, so they tie, imo. I don't feel right NOT wearing black and NOT listening to Industrialish creepy shit. It's kind of like the timeless conundrum of whether you'd rather be deaf or blind for the rest of your life. Too hard for me to choose.

If the attitude is there it will be properly reflected through expression. If someone is dressing up "legit"-scene or listening to the music to either be rebellious or (ironically) fit in...then I can smell that poser stank from a mile away.

The infatuation of inner-darkness and all things decrepit/eerie and the outward reflection of such feelings and attitude. Fashion and music tend to be the highest points of that outside reflection of inner-darkness, so they tie, imo. I don't feel right NOT wearing black and NOT listening to Industrialish creepy shit. It's kind of like the timeless conundrum of whether you'd rather be deaf or blind for the rest of your life. Too hard for me to choose.

If the attitude is there it will be properly reflected through expression. If someone is dressing up "legit"-scene or listening to the music to either be rebellious or (ironically) fit in...then I can smell that poser stank from a mile away.

Edited November 15, 2010 by Chernobyl

[killyosaur]

The Music. That was easy. Attitude is such a nebulous concept and difficult to define, as well as the issue being that what attitude defines you as goth/industrial versus a metal head versus a hipster versus a punk, a nerd, geek, furry, trekkie... Without the fashion to some extent or the music/culture there's no way of knowing. As to fashion on its own, anyone who knows me irl knows that I don't follow any fashion trend worth noting. I just wear what I feel comfortable in, regardless of trends or subcultures.

[phee]

I am a poser.... I am so sorry.

[st_masey]

The way goth men dress, music is mostly likely the central part of the subculture. The crap most women listen to, fashion is their value. There are examples to the contrary on both sides, and a brave few manage to pull off both. However, most goth guys I know dress like shit, but have pretty good musical taste. Most goth women dress spectacularly, but have pretty shameful ipods.

[DJ Nocker]

The way goth men dress, music is mostly likely the central part of the subculture. The crap most women listen to, fashion is their value. There are examples to the contrary on both sides, and a brave few manage to pull off both. However, most goth guys I know dress like shit, but have pretty good musical taste. Most goth women dress spectacularly, but have pretty shameful ipods.

That sounds about right...haha

[Joey Deadcat]

That sounds about right...haha

I second that.

But then...isn't that what a handful of us, the least-adored members here, have been bringing up from time to time?

[FarrIL]

Mostly the music. The fashion portion of it comes from some people seeking to emulate how the musicians dressed and appeared.

My dress style has grown a bit over the years, has developed and even though I work at Vanity now, I still find ways to show my preferred sense of fashion. My look goes slightly corporate on occasion. However, I may not always dress in the black and the platforms and such but look at the majority of the music on my external..... it aint all just techno and metal, yo!

[prick]

If your talking City Club then fashion because the music is not what it once was.

[StormKnight (1)]

Music. Definitely what drew me into the scene.

Now I will be the first to admit dress something resembling yuppie-spawn, but I tend to be the more formal type going out to a club.

Good topic.

[Destroit]

From this topic...am I the only one who sees fashion as a way of inner expression with some artistic creativity? It seems some of the answer are to emulate others or to look like the musicians in a band when I sure HOPE this is not a reason ANYONE on here dresses up!

From this topic...am I the only one who sees fashion as a way of inner expression with some artistic creativity? It seems some of the answer are to emulate others or to look like the musicians in the band when I sure HOPE this is not a reason ANYONE on here dresses up!

[st_masey]

From this topic...am I the only one who sees fashion as a way of inner expression with some artistic creativity? It seems some of the answer are to emulate others or to look like the musicians in a band when I sure HOPE this is not a reason ANYONE on here dresses up!

Fashion IS a way of inner expression and can be fantastically creative. In the goth community, however, that mostly disintegrates and most people simply indulge in emulation.

[DJDeadbeat]

Deathrock, for example, has become a fashion indulged scene. And most of the goth scene for the most part. Its more important about how nice your deathhawk looks or how properly torn up your fishnet tights are verses how unique your musical afterbirth is from the unremembered 80's.

[st_masey]

Deathrock, for example, has become a fashion indulged scene. And most of the goth scene for the most part. Its more important about how nice your deathhawk looks or how properly torn up your fishnet tights are verses how unique your musical afterbirth is from the unremembered 80's.

When the music becomes regimented, the fans start wearing uniforms.

[Class-Punk]

I don't have anything against all Industrial music, but going by New-wave and Post-punk, fashion won, globally.

I believe in reviving the best of the 80's regardless. The difference between 'Goth' and full on '80's Revival' is the difference between "Look at me." and "Come at me, bro." Its impossible to listen to Kavinsky without becoming cooler, or at least developing Truman Syndrome, which is a term I only use because I don't believe in it.