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Wow...that was really sad to watch...

It's horrible because for as many amazing officers that are out there doing a great job at what they do, dickholes with bad judgment and childish tempers still make their way into the field and give the entire industry a bad image.

Wow...that was really sad to watch...

It's horrible because for as many amazing officers that are out there doing a great job at what they do, dickholes with bad judgment and childish tempers still make their way into the field and give the entire industry a bad image.

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Maybe he used a bit of excessive force, but I think something is to be said for resisting.

When an officer is giving you instruction, maybe you should listen. If you are innocent, it will come out in the end. Just obey the orders and let it sort itself out.

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Maybe he used a bit of excessive force, but I think something is to be said for resisting.

When an officer is giving you instruction, maybe you should listen. If you are innocent, it will come out in the end. Just obey the orders and let it sort itself out.

You don't slam someone face first into a concrete wall just for trying to pull away. He could have killed her if he threw her into it hard enough, or if her face hit it just right. That man is twice her size, he could have gotten her to stop pulling away without slamming her into a wall.

I'd like to know why they arrested her in the first place when she was the one who called 911. She was the DD, one of the drunk passengers grabbed the wheel from passenger side and caused the accident. A simple breathalyzer test would have shown that she was sober.

I'm also quite shocked to see that even though the officer will be charged, and if he is convicted he won't serve any time. What the man did was assault..that should get him something.

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You don't slam someone face first into a concrete wall just for trying to pull away. He could have killed her if he threw her into it hard enough, or if her face hit it just right. That man is twice her size, he could have gotten her to stop pulling away without slamming her into a wall.

I'd like to know why they arrested her in the first place when she was the one who called 911. She was the DD, one of the drunk passengers grabbed the wheel from passenger side and caused the accident. A simple breathalyzer test would have shown that she was sober.

I'm also quite shocked to see that even though the officer will be charged, and if he is convicted he won't serve any time. What the man did was assault..that should get him something.

Few things about this:

As a student in the Law Enforcement program at my college, the first thing they train you is to treat everyone exactly 100% equal. This means you're going to treat a hardened male felon able to bench press a Volvo and armed to the teeth on the run from the law exactly the same as you're going to treat my 87 year old grandma. Not only is it technically a way to show that officers don't play favorites, but there have been countless men and women in uniform that either went to the hospital or the morgue after work instead of home because they assumed there was no way some prissy blonde little Lindsay Lohan wannabe would be packing a Glock or have a black belt for that matter.

Secondly, her LAWYER said that she was sober. There was no prelim breath test done (or at least I didn't see this in the article). As a professional drunk and recovering drunk driver I can tell you by the sound in her voice alone that she had way more than a few to drink. The fact that she appears to wobble on her own feet and looks as if she'll fall on her face the moment the officer let her go is another key indicator. "One of the friends grabbed the wheel and that caused the accident" is worse than the story I told the officer when I got in an accident drunk, and my story was so awful I don't even remember it. Sounds like what I like to call "drunk panic" when you realize you just ruined the night and are probably going to jail because you had a few too many. She probably caused the accident and KNEW she had to call 911, even though she was a bit tipsy. Most likely in her drunkenness she thought, like many drunk people thought, that she could "fool" the cops into thinking she was sober. When they showed up and arrested her for being in a DUI-related accident, she starts resisting. Sounds like the most logical thing to me. The reason she wasn't given a Breathalyzer is most likely because she refused. When you refuse, and what she probably didn't realize, is that by law they then transport you to a hospital, strap you down against your will, and take blood from you whether you like it or not. They were probably in the process of arresting her for this purpose and she started to realize what was going on and resisted. See what caused the accident is all he-said-she-said bullshit, and since we don't know 100%, we can't assume it's true. But for circumstantial evidence I will say she SOUNDS drunk and APPEARS drunk, so that's more than what we have for her sober case. The officer probably fucked up, didn't breath-test her, and now she is pulling the whole "I wasn't drunk card" because by law the officers basically lost that case by not doing it initially.

Clarification on use of force: In the case of an arrest, if the arrestee is resisting you are able to use force. Do I think he used too MUCH force? Yes. That was a bad judgment of him. He lost his temper. That happens to most humans. That is the only thing I think he did wrong. I believe that he had all rights to use force, to tackle her onto the pavement like any other police officer following PROTOCOL is to do. She could have gotten just as big of a gash on her face if he would have followed protocol, but it would have been "her fault" in the eyes of the law. He DIDN'T follow take-down procedure, however, and decided to fling the girl into a wall, which is technically felonious assault at that point since a weapon is involved (i.e. the wall. Yes, law considers a wall a weapon, same with the floor, same with the hood of a car). So I agree that he should be charged under the law with felonious assault as he strayed from protocol in a lapse of bad judgment from his temper. If he HAD a temper to begin with, he should have never put on a uniform. Law Enforcement has no room for ill-tempered loose cannons or Billy Badasses, that's how other officers dedicated to their work and doing a great job get a bad rap. Also, to note, assault does not get you jail time Also, to note, assault does not get you jail time (misdemeanor does not, as his charges were dropped to). Doesn't matter if you're an officer or not. Only felonious assault or habitual offenders will usually see any jail time. Texas, like most of America, has a jail overcrowding issue (WORSE actually than any other place besides Cali), and they're not going to waste jail space that could be used on drug/people traffickers coming off the border on assault, that would be silly.

But what I AM surprised about is all these people both here and on the news site who are so quick to jump and make physical threats against a police officer who had a lapse in human judgment, a person who goes out everyday with an inadequate firearm (9 mil) against criminals who want to harm them and are probably better armed. Being in a police uniform gives the OTHER person the upper hand, trust me. I think he should be either fired or suspended, but hearing death threats against this officer in a case where none of us where there to witness it and none of us has the full story reinforces my views on so many in society: I am disappoint :no.

Few things about this:

As a student in the Law Enforcement program at my college, the first thing they train you is to treat everyone exactly 100% equal. This means you're going to treat a hardened male felon able to bench press a Volvo and armed to the teeth on the run from the law exactly the same as you're going to treat my 87 year old grandma. Not only is it technically a way to show that officers don't play favorites, but there have been countless men and women in uniform that either went to the hospital or the morgue after work instead of home because they assumed there was no way some prissy blonde little Lindsay Lohan wannabe would be packing a Glock or have a black belt for that matter.

Secondly, her LAWYER said that she was sober. There was no prelim breath test done (or at least I didn't see this in the article). As a professional drunk and recovering drunk driver I can tell you by the sound in her voice alone that she had way more than a few to drink. The fact that she appears to wobble on her own feet and looks as if she'll fall on her face the moment the officer let her go is another key indicator. "One of the friends grabbed the wheel and that caused the accident" is worse than the story I told the officer when I got in an accident drunk, and my story was so awful I don't even remember it. Sounds like what I like to call "drunk panic" when you realize you just ruined the night and are probably going to jail because you had a few too many. She probably caused the accident and KNEW she had to call 911, even though she was a bit tipsy. Most likely in her drunkenness she thought, like many drunk people thought, that she could "fool" the cops into thinking she was sober. When they showed up and arrested her for being in a DUI-related accident, she starts resisting. Sounds like the most logical thing to me. The reason she wasn't given a Breathalyzer is most likely because she refused. When you refuse, and what she probably didn't realize, is that by law they then transport you to a hospital, strap you down against your will, and take blood from you whether you like it or not. They were probably in the process of arresting her for this purpose and she started to realize what was going on and resisted. See what caused the accident is all he-said-she-said bullshit, and since we don't know 100%, we can't assume it's true. But for circumstantial evidence I will say she SOUNDS drunk and APPEARS drunk, so that's more than what we have for her sober case. The officer probably fucked up, didn't breath-test her, and now she is pulling the whole "I wasn't drunk card" because by law the officers basically lost that case by not doing it initially.

Clarification on use of force: In the case of an arrest, if the arrestee is resisting you are able to use force. Do I think he used too MUCH force? Yes. That was a bad judgment of him. He lost his temper. That happens to most humans. That is the only thing I think he did wrong. I believe that he had all rights to use force, to tackle her onto the pavement like any other police officer following PROTOCOL is to do. She could have gotten just as big of a gash on her face if he would have followed protocol, but it would have been "her fault" in the eyes of the law. He DIDN'T follow take-down procedure, however, and decided to fling the girl into a wall, which is technically felonious assault at that point since a weapon is involved (i.e. the wall. Yes, law considers a wall a weapon, same with the floor, same with the hood of a car). So I agree that he should be charged under the law with felonious assault as he strayed from protocol in a lapse of bad judgment from his temper. If he HAD a temper to begin with, he should have never put on a uniform. Law Enforcement has no room for ill-tempered loose cannons or Billy Badasses, that's how other officers dedicated to their work and doing a great job get a bad rap. Also, to note, assault does not get you jail time (misdemeanor does not, as his charges were dropped to). Doesn't matter if you're an officer or not. Only felonious assault or habitual offenders will usually see any jail time. Texas, like most of America, has a jail overcrowding issue (WORSE actually than any other place besides Cali), and they're not going to waste jail space that could be used on drug/people traffickers coming off the border on assault, that would be silly.

But what I AM surprised about is all these people both here and on the news site who are so quick to jump and make physical threats against a police officer who had a lapse in human judgment, a person who goes out everyday with an inadequate firearm (9 mil) against criminals who want to harm them and are probably better armed. Being in a police uniform gives the OTHER person the upper hand, trust me. I think he should be either fired or suspended, but hearing death threats against this officer in a case where none of us where there to witness it and none of us has the full story reinforces my views on so many in society: I am disappoint :no.

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Maybe he used a bit of excessive force, but I think something is to be said for resisting.

When an officer is giving you instruction, maybe you should listen. If you are innocent, it will come out in the end. Just obey the orders and let it sort itself out.

Smart guy, I completely agree with this. If you comply, then shit like this doesn't happen. You'll even be pleasantly surprised when the officer does something nice like reduces your sentence or lets you go when you aren't an non-compliant brat.

Smart guy, I completely agree with this. If you comply, then shit like this doesn't happen. You'll even be pleasantly surprised when the officer does something nice like reduces your sentence or lets you go when you aren't an non-compliant brat.
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Obviously the prosecutor knows that trooper was out of line otherwise they wouldn't have dropped the charges.

You mean against the girl? I'm not going to say that she was lucky, but a DUI costs like $10,000 now (that's Michigan though, not sure about Texas). So...I mean, I guess that is desserts right there. It all depends on the person, I would have so rather been face slammed into a wall and have my face gashed open than pay $10,000, but I also know not everyone would agree with that.

I'm still surprised that he wasn't charged with a felony instead of a misdemeanor. He MAY have been though and had it dropped for a sealed-in guilty plea, that's not uncommon at all. They almost always let you plea out, sometimes it works to your advantage like with this guy, other times it goes against you like it did with me a lonnnnng time ago when I was young, naive, and didn't get how law worked.

You mean against the girl? I'm not going to say that she was lucky, but a DUI costs like $10,000 now (that's Michigan though, not sure about Texas). So...I mean, I guess that is desserts right there. It all depends on the person, I would have so rather been face slammed into a wall and have my face gashed open than pay $10,000, but I also know not everyone would agree with that.

I'm still surprised that he wasn't charged with a felony instead of a misdemeanor. He MAY have been though and had it dropped for a sealed-in guilty plea, that's not uncommon at all. They almost always let you plea out, sometimes it works to your advantage like with this guy, other times it goes against you like it did with me a lonnnnng time ago when I was young, naive, and didn't get how law worked.

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Ah the good ol Irish whip. a highly underrated basic move. The origins of the Irish whip date back to the first olympic games. Who knows what they called it in Latin. The offending officer should be placed in a lumberjack match, with all of the females freinds and family as the lumberjacks. you shouldn't hit girls. he should have to prove his word in honorable combat before the eyes of god, who would defend her?

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I have to agree with you, Cherynobyl. They teach the same exact thing at the college I go to, but unfortunately it's not entirely effective. I've had several classes with the same people over the last two and a half semesters, and despite every single factor in crime that has been pointed out to them, they continue to treat each and every person differently based on their own beliefs. On the part regarding the use of force, the officer was correct in responding to the suspect being resistant. That's allowed under the rules of the Force Continuum, but even still, the lines kind of blur at points - take suicide by cop for instance. Officers in that situation typically have seconds to act, and no more. This is why being in the law enforcement field can be difficult. You literally would have to make decisions in a split second. Did this guy go through his court appearance yet?

Few things about this:

As a student in the Law Enforcement program at my college, the first thing they train you is to treat everyone exactly 100% equal. This means you're going to treat a hardened male felon able to bench press a Volvo and armed to the teeth on the run from the law exactly the same as you're going to treat my 87 year old grandma. Not only is it technically a way to show that officers don't play favorites, but there have been countless men and women in uniform that either went to the hospital or the morgue after work instead of home because they assumed there was no way some prissy blonde little Lindsay Lohan wannabe would be packing a Glock or have a black belt for that matter.

Secondly, her LAWYER said that she was sober. There was no prelim breath test done (or at least I didn't see this in the article). As a professional drunk and recovering drunk driver I can tell you by the sound in her voice alone that she had way more than a few to drink. The fact that she appears to wobble on her own feet and looks as if she'll fall on her face the moment the officer let her go is another key indicator. "One of the friends grabbed the wheel and that caused the accident" is worse than the story I told the officer when I got in an accident drunk, and my story was so awful I don't even remember it. Sounds like what I like to call "drunk panic" when you realize you just ruined the night and are probably going to jail because you had a few too many. She probably caused the accident and KNEW she had to call 911, even though she was a bit tipsy. Most likely in her drunkenness she thought, like many drunk people thought, that she could "fool" the cops into thinking she was sober. When they showed up and arrested her for being in a DUI-related accident, she starts resisting. Sounds like the most logical thing to me. The reason she wasn't given a Breathalyzer is most likely because she refused. When you refuse, and what she probably didn't realize, is that by law they then transport you to a hospital, strap you down against your will, and take blood from you whether you like it or not. They were probably in the process of arresting her for this purpose and she started to realize what was going on and resisted. See what caused the accident is all he-said-she-said bullshit, and since we don't know 100%, we can't assume it's true. But for circumstantial evidence I will say she SOUNDS drunk and APPEARS drunk, so that's more than what we have for her sober case. The officer probably fucked up, didn't breath-test her, and now she is pulling the whole "I wasn't drunk card" because by law the officers basically lost that case by not doing it initially.

Clarification on use of force: In the case of an arrest, if the arrestee is resisting you are able to use force. Do I think he used too MUCH force? Yes. That was a bad judgment of him. He lost his temper. That happens to most humans. That is the only thing I think he did wrong. I believe that he had all rights to use force, to tackle her onto the pavement like any other police officer following PROTOCOL is to do. She could have gotten just as big of a gash on her face if he would have followed protocol, but it would have been "her fault" in the eyes of the law. He DIDN'T follow take-down procedure, however, and decided to fling the girl into a wall, which is technically felonious assault at that point since a weapon is involved (i.e. the wall. Yes, law considers a wall a weapon, same with the floor, same with the hood of a car). So I agree that he should be charged under the law with felonious assault as he strayed from protocol in a lapse of bad judgment from his temper. If he HAD a temper to begin with, he should have never put on a uniform. Law Enforcement has no room for ill-tempered loose cannons or Billy Badasses, that's how other officers dedicated to their work and doing a great job get a bad rap. Also, to note, assault does not get you jail time Also, to note, assault does not get you jail time (misdemeanor does not, as his charges were dropped to). Doesn't matter if you're an officer or not. Only felonious assault or habitual offenders will usually see any jail time. Texas, like most of America, has a jail overcrowding issue (WORSE actually than any other place besides Cali), and they're not going to waste jail space that could be used on drug/people traffickers coming off the border on assault, that would be silly.

But what I AM surprised about is all these people both here and on the news site who are so quick to jump and make physical threats against a police officer who had a lapse in human judgment, a person who goes out everyday with an inadequate firearm (9 mil) against criminals who want to harm them and are probably better armed. Being in a police uniform gives the OTHER person the upper hand, trust me. I think he should be either fired or suspended, but hearing death threats against this officer in a case where none of us where there to witness it and none of us has the full story reinforces my views on so many in society: I am disappoint :no.

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