Which do you like more?

[wormsinwombs]

I like both of them but I would have to go with industrial/electronic. It's interesting to see who perfers what.

[DJ Nocker]

I like both of them but I would have to go with industrial/electronic. It's interesting to see who perfers what.

Im not to surprised by the comments thus far. But it is fun to see.

[DJ Nocker]

Is electronic/synth music just easier for folks to dance to?

Most people would say so, and usually it is true, but there are a lot of damn good gothy/punky tracks I will move to for sure.

[phee]

To me... The goth/punk genre is... well... it is an older creature, which is more of a modified version of other things that has been redone several times (I know... all music fits this general idea but I am going somewhere with this) The electronic area however by nature is more expansive; by this I mean that the electronics are literally infinite in regards to modifications and textures that are able to be invented.... as opposed to a guitar, base, drum, vocal structure which is much more difficult to expand and create something new... or at least completely new.

I still listen to Tactical Neural Implant by Frontline Assembly and Solutions For A Small Planet by Haujobb and hear something new in its textures and layers literally EVERY TIME I LISTEN... not so much with "Rock" or modifications of the "Rock" template. (There are exceptions to this... some rock is continuing to innovate but it is much more rare.)

Because of this ability for electronic music to continue to be original and new... I have almost NO tolerance for unoriginal sounding electro/industrial/ebm... When someone has the ability to create an INFINITE amount of new textures and sounds and they sound just like every other electro band before them it makes me upset... Combichrist, (later)VNV, and a great deal of the other more 4 on the floor (from what I can remember NECTO, at least during main dancefloor hours) type canned ebm really bugs me these days... but it's what people dance to.

[DJ Nocker]

To me... The goth/punk genre is... well... it is an older creature, which is more of a modified version of other things that has been redone several times (I know... all music fits this general idea but I am going somewhere with this) The electronic area however by nature is more expansive; by this I mean that the electronics are literally infinite in regards to modifications and textures that are able to be invented.... as opposed to a guitar, base, drum, vocal structure which is much more difficult to expand and create something new... or at least completely new.

I still listen to Tactical Neural Implant by Frontline Assembly and Solutions For A Small Planet by Haujobb and hear something new in its textures and layers literally EVERY TIME I LISTEN... not so much with "Rock" or modifications of the "Rock" template. (There are exceptions to this... some rock is continuing to innovate but it is much more rare.)

Because of this ability for electronic music to continue to be original and new... I have almost NO tolerance for unoriginal sounding electro/industrial/ebm... When someone has the ability to create an INFINITE amount of new textures and sounds and they sound just like every other electro band before them it makes me upset... Combichrist, (later)VNV, and a great deal of the other more 4 on the floor (from what I can remember NECTO, at least during main dancefloor hours) type canned ebm really bugs me these days... but it's what people dance to.

Although I agree with you on several points, how can you say you are still finding new things in a album from 92 and then say that stuff that is CURRENT doesnt sound new?

[phee]

New elements to the tracks that I have not heard before.... in otherwords... stuff that old still sounds more cutting edge than stuff from 2008

[DJDeadbeat]

To me... The goth/punk genre is... well... it is an older creature

Industrial pre-dates punk's broad emergence by a few years. Same with electronic music in general. Industrial sought to destroy not just rock and roll but music in general.

[Joey Deadcat]

Industrial pre-dates punk's broad emergence by a few years. Same with electronic music in general. Industrial sought to destroy not just rock and roll but music in general.

And now look what it's become: cock-rock with a drum machine, a laptop, and Full Metal Jacket samples.

[n0Mad]

And now look what it's become: cock-rock with a drum machine, a laptop, and Full Metal Jacket samples.

Yeah, I can't stand that stuff. Quickest way to make me leave a dancefloor.

[phee]

And now look what it's become: cock-rock with a drum machine, a laptop, and Full Metal Jacket samples.

*bows*

[Destroit]

Somewhat of a closer call now than I could have said years back, but still industrial/electronic.

Reasons: Jarring disturbing wretched noises slathered in dark shit orchestrated in layers of anti-music reflects how I feel I am much of the time. Really that was just one reason in a long sentence, but still.

When I was in high school I barely listened to goth rock and thought it was cheesy. In my early 20s I began to build more of an appreciation for the sound and the almost humble folk like quality that came with much of it. Whereas industrial is absolutely terrifying sometimes, I saw goth rock as being more eerie and spooky, so I would listen to it if I felt more toned down. Now I listen to a healthy helping of both genres, along with others I've picked up, but my heart still beats to industrial for the most part.

Punk though? Going to get yelled at but, I really don't do it ever. Have heard almost all of it, but there's nothing there for me to reflect on or get anything out of that I feel is of value to me and I don't like the actual music, so I hardly ever delve into it. Pest on the other hand loves it.

Somewhat of a closer call now than I could have said years back, but still industrial/electronic.

Reasons: Jarring disturbing wretched noises slathered in dark shit orchestrated in layers of anti-music reflects how I feel I am much of the time. Really that was just one reason in a long sentence, but still.

When I was in high school I barely listened to goth rock and thought it was cheesy. In my early 20s I began to build more of an appreciation for the sound and the almost humble folk like quality that came with much of it. Whereas industrial is absolutely terrifying sometimes, I saw goth rock as being more eerie and spooky, so I would listen to it if I felt more toned down. Now I listen to a healthy helping of both genres, along with others I've picked up, but my heart still beats to industrial for the most part.

Punk though? Going to get yelled at but, I really don't do it ever. Have heard almost all of it, but there's nothing there for me to reflect on or get anything out of that I feel is of value to me and I don't like the actual music, so I hardly ever delve into it. Pest on the other hand loves it.

Edited January 30, 2011 by Chernobyl

[Destroit]

New elements to the tracks that I have not heard before.... in otherwords... stuff that old still sounds more cutting edge than stuff from 2008

Couldn't agree more. A genre of industrial I hardly touch for instance is aggrotech, almost all of it is newer stuff. Same droning pounding drum beat with some blips in the background that are ALSO the same repetitive thing, with a "vocalist" so synthesized that you can't even consider them a singer of any sort at this point, gurgling incoherent babble the WHOLE song. Now, there are many of these elements that were in older industrial, I'll admit, but in those days the artists would arrange them to be *gasp* actually interesting! Just imo. Now any jackass with five brain cells can get on their laptop, open up some cheat program like Frooty Loops, make a stupid drum beat, add three layers of the same note over and over again, sprinkle obligatory B horror movie voice samples, and there you go, what I consider crap but many in this scene are calling "awesome". Makes me irate, honestly, I refuse to believe that kids are this stupid now...but then there's emo running around still and bands like Brokencyde.

Our future is looking grim, and I don't mean grim in the traditional dark industrial sense, like the bad sort of grim...

Editing to note that Nocker recently forced me to stand corrected about newer industrial/electro by introducing me to new bands that aren't the repetitive bland regurgitated-watered-down-techno types. So there is SOME hope in the world left I suppose.

Couldn't agree more. A genre of industrial I hardly touch for instance is aggrotech, almost all of it is newer stuff. Same droning pounding drum beat with some blips in the background that are ALSO the same repetitive thing, with a "vocalist" so synthesized that you can't even consider them a singer of any sort at this point, gurgling incoherent babble the WHOLE song. Now, there are many of these elements that were in older industrial, I'll admit, but in those days the artists would arrange them to be *gasp* actually interesting! Just imo. Now any jackass with five brain cells can get on their laptop, open up some cheat program like Frooty Loops, make a stupid drum beat, add three layers of the same note over and over again, sprinkle obligatory B horror movie voice samples, and there you go, what I consider crap but many in this scene are calling "awesome". Makes me irate, honestly, I refuse to believe that kids are this stupid now...but then there's emo running around still and bands like Brokencyde.

Our future is looking grim, and I don't mean grim in the traditional dark industrial sense, like the bad sort of grim...

Editing to note that Nocker recently forced me to stand corrected about newer industrial/electro by introducing me to new bands that aren't the repetitive bland regurgitated-watered-down-techno types. So there is SOME hope in the world left I suppose.

Edited January 30, 2011 by Chernobyl

[phee]

Couldn't agree more. A genre of industrial I hardly touch for instance is aggrotech, almost all of it is newer stuff. Same droning pounding drum beat with some blips in the background that are ALSO the same repetitive thing, with a "vocalist" so synthesized that you can't even consider them a singer of any sort at this point, gurgling incoherent babble the WHOLE song. Now, there are many of these elements that were in older industrial, I'll admit, but in those days the artists would arrange them to be *gasp* actually interesting! Just imo. Now any jackass with five brain cells can get on their laptop, open up some cheat program like Frooty Loops, make a stupid drum beat, add three layers of the same note over and over again, sprinkle obligatory B horror movie voice samples, and there you go, what I consider crap but many in this scene are calling "awesome". Makes me irate, honestly, I refuse to believe that kids are this stupid now...but then there's emo running around still and bands like Brokencyde.

Our future is looking grim, and I don't mean grim in the traditional dark industrial sense, like the bad sort of grim...

Editing to note that Nocker recently forced me to stand corrected about newer industrial/electro by introducing me to new bands that aren't the repetitive bland regurgitated-watered-down-techno types. So there is SOME hope in the world left I suppose.

Thank You Miss Cher....

Yes... Now contrary to POPular belief there are still new dark electro bands that have interesting elements... granted you won't hear them much in clubs because they are not really good drunken pound 4x4 dance music (although they do have danceble beats... just not as Cher described above... oontz grr.... )

Some examples of Newer bands that have some of the complexity of "old skool" industrial that come to mind are: Destroid (I know... old skook guys in it so maybe it doesn't count), Interlace (friggen dark woah), Headscan (Smooth and dark distortion)...

[Darus313]

Mainly

Rhythmic Noiz / EBM / IDM

but do enjoy Techno / Motown classics / Classic and Polka? I used to live in germany for awhile - i think the poka music rubbed off me when i lived there...

Go fig...

D

[Simon Bar Sinister]

And now look what it's become: cock-rock with a drum machine, a laptop, and Full Metal Jacket samples.

did somebody say Coq Roq?!!

Edited January 31, 2011 by Simon Bar Sinister

[DJ Nocker]

Punk though? Going to get yelled at but, I really don't do it ever. Have heard almost all of it, but there's nothing there for me to reflect on or get anything out of that I feel is of value to me and I don't like the actual music, so I hardly ever delve into it. Pest on the other hand loves it.

I actually dislike punk as well, I just put it with goth because weather you like it or not, goth is a form of dark post-PUNK and so it fits with the genre. I dont even like most deathrock because it dips to much into traditional "punk" and less "post-punk".