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ROFL @ the basic training video. Haha look at the road guard in the back not even marking time he's just wiggling his knees and swinging his arms haha silly privates..

You really think that many people know how to march properly anymore? About 90% of soldiers try to get out of details that involve DNC unless they are forced into ISP...and I am starting to think NOBODY knows how to handle a guidon unless they are running in front of the company...its all sloppy and I can't even get my ass promoted because those people take up space!

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Sadly this story shows you're right.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/hero_unwelcome_Zi3u1fwtRpo87vXAiAQfSN

Hero's unwelcome

Wounded Iraq vet jeered at Columbia

By ANNIE KARNI

Columbia University students heckled a war hero during a town-hall meeting on whether ROTC should be allowed back on campus.

"Racist!" some students yelled at Anthony Maschek, a Columbia freshman and former Army staff sergeant awarded the Purple Heart after being shot 11 times in a firefight in northern Iraq in February 2008. Others hissed and booed the veteran.

Maschek, 28, had bravely stepped up to the mike Tuesday at the meeting to issue an impassioned challenge to fellow students on their perceptions of the military.

"It doesn't matter how you feel about the war. It doesn't matter how you feel about fighting," said Maschek. "There are bad men out there plotting to kill you."

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Several students laughed and jeered the Idaho native, a 10th Mountain Division infantryman who spent two years at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington recovering from grievous wounds.

Maschek, who is studying economics, miraculously survived the insurgent attack in Kirkuk. In the hail of gunfire, he broke both legs and suffered wounds to his abdomen, arm and chest.

He enrolled last August at the Ivy League school, where an increasingly ugly battle is unfolding over the 42-year military ban there.

More than half of the students who spoke at the meeting -- the second of three hearings on the subject -- expressed opposition to ROTC's return. Many of the 200 students in the audience held anti-military placards with slogans such as, "1 in 3 female soldiers experiences sexual assault in the military."

The university has created a task force polling 10,000 students on the issue, but would not release the vote tally of the 1,300 who have already responded.

In 2005, when the university last voted to reject ROTC's return, it cited the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

That policy was overturned in December, but resistance remains.

"Transpeople are part of the Columbia community," said senior Sean Udell at the meeting, referring to the military's current ban on transgender soldiers.

Faculty members are divided.

"Universities should not be involved in military activities," Sociology Professor Emeritus Herbert Gans told The Post. "Columbia should come out against spending $300 billion a year on unnecessary wars."

A group of 34 faculty colleagues, including historian Kenneth Jackson and former Bloomberg adviser Esther Fuchs, plan to announce their support of ROTC tomorrow.

José Robledo, 30, a Columbia student who commutes to Fordham University for ROTC coursework, said he found the treatment of Maschek abhorrent.

"The anti-ROTC side has been disrespectful and loud. They hiss and they jeer," he said. "It's been to the detriment of the argument."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/hero_unwelcome_Zi3u1fwtRpo87vXAiAQfSN#ixzz1EcpKRsha

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Dammit.

His body violated 11 times by metal fragments, and these punk kids heckle him for trying to improve his mind?

Words don't exist to show my contempt the hecklers.

He also lost a leg. Those over privileged brats need to be forced to volunteer at Walter Reed to see just what our Armed Forces go through when they come home. And then they need to be slapped for treating a Vet the way they did.

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Shit...that is the problem and the reason we tend to think everyone hates us...because we know people that get really messed up physically and mentally and when they come back people can't respect them. Hell, hate the military all you want but leave them alone...they actually had the balls to step into a situation they know damn well could get them killed...more than most (hell even me) would do...

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i actually know and have seen such things happening to many of my friends. i know people from the marines, army, national guard, and army reserves they have all faced similiar problems. of course Benfield is a hick. when he joined the guard he drove through the middle of town backwards in his jeep got out danced around a tree singing "I'm gonna kill Bin Laden" jumped back in his jeep and took off. Jr. is a little slow but has caught more hell for being in the military than for actually screwing up. Kelly had a hard time getting any work. it really sucks.

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i actually know and have seen such things happening to many of my friends. i know people from the marines, army, national guard, and army reserves they have all faced similiar problems. of course Benfield is a hick. when he joined the guard he drove through the middle of town backwards in his jeep got out danced around a tree singing "I'm gonna kill Bin Laden" jumped back in his jeep and took off. Jr. is a little slow but has caught more hell for being in the military than for actually screwing up. Kelly had a hard time getting any work. it really sucks.

I can see some people I know getting drunk and doing this...being redneck is fun.

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Hey Candyman, I agree with you, I see that our vet's have been treated poorly. When I did homeless outreach down in Cass corridor there were far too many homeless vets out there for my liking and for many other's working for the agency I worked at, and actually the organization took a stand and did something about it. They opened a project based apartment complex called Piquette Square, exclusively for the housing of homeless vets.

I also think that most of the people, it seems who are now going into the military are going in for the educational funding aspect. I have never thought those in the military where a bunch of rednecks, personally, my brother, was military, he is now a Marshall, but when he came home from the Navy he vented the same frustrations that I am seeing on this thread about the way vets are being treated and how vets come home to nothing. It also took him forever to find a job and he had to relocate out of state.

I think that it is sad that the media controls our emotional reactions to social problems. It seems like when an issue is in the public eye, on television, we as society only seem to care about the issue or talk about the issue than, but after the issue dissipates from the media's agenda so do our feelings, our discussions. It's like, well in this case, we see the vet's on the corner but they are a whisper, and sadly, society ignores the whisper, until the media turns it into a scream, and now we, society, hear the issue again and, hence, we listen because we can hear what's being said.

It's sad, It should not be like this, It should never even get this far out of control.

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On a GOOD not some lady bought lunch for me yesterday at Subway and thanked me for my service. I felt really awkward but it is nice to know people feel that way.

Now...about those girls that just use us for fun... :verymad:

My brother was out in DC with his girlfriend at some really high end place where he had to wear his dress blues because it was that classy of a place, and this couple paid for their meal. They got a meal upgrade because of it because they were getting the cheap dinner, but because this other couple paid since they saw he was a Marine out with his girl, they got the premium dinner.

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My brother was out in DC with his girlfriend at some really high end place where he had to wear his dress blues because it was that classy of a place, and this couple paid for their meal. They got a meal upgrade because of it because they were getting the cheap dinner, but because this other couple paid since they saw he was a Marine out with his girl, they got the premium dinner.

Yeah I will have to admit that no matter what branch someone is in the dress uniforms tend to help out alot in any situation. They bump us up to first class if we fly home in them...and sometimes the ladies, well, you know...I personally don't know but I have heard that besides me other people have some luck...

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I have nothing but love for the military. My brother is about to deploy for his third time to the middle east. In fact I am the first person to get down on someone when they say anything negative about our soldiers.

"The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten." -- Calvin Coolidge

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