Decrypting Newspeak.

[Vater Araignee]

On 3/18/2016 at 10:11 AM, Scary Guy said:

Redpill:

Then: "Nothing is real and we're living in a machine world.  Woah."

Now: "Women are Feminazi scum"

 

Egalitarianism:

Then: "All people are equal and should be treated as such with the same rights and respect as you'd give anyone else."

Now: "Did I fucking stutter?"

MGTOW, but I have heard feminists claim the red pill is realizing "The Patriarchy" is an omnipresent concept that manipulates and controls towards the goal of oppressing women and it will even give men less rights than women just to advance the goal. I'll let the sexists duke it for now. My money is of the feminists winning and MGTOW wining about it.

 

And honestly the modern definition of Egalitarianism from feminists is: anti-women's rights because it does not focus solely on women's rights.

[Troy Spiral (13)]

56 minutes ago, Vater Araignee said:

MGTOW, but I have heard feminists claim the red pill is realizing "The Patriarchy" is an omnipresent concept that manipulates and controls towards the goal of oppressing women and it will even give men less rights than women just to advance the goal.

 It's just evolving social forces that seem to be a single , unified directive , when really that is just an illusion (for various reasons).   I'd like to think the women-slowly-taking over thing was not true and there was a secret society doing this, intentionally, for the long game win,  even if just for the lol factor.  Ok serious subject but for some reason that gives me a chuckle for a second. 

 

We evolved for 100,000+ years in a world where things like , physical strength, aggressive territorialism , well honed spacial skills, combat skills and other things that males spent century upon century evolving as a strength , are now largely , except in a few fields, moot , or worse , counterproductive.   Before they were complementary assets to The Tribe , and the women evolved all the  "pink collar"  as complementary skills for "inside the tribe.  The oversimplification being that men evolved the Fight & Flight skills (much of it useless now)  were women evolved the Tend & Befriend skills that are all now still very relevant and very useful.  

 

So biologically men are handicapped by a divergence of biology not meeting up with what modern civilization wants in many areas.  ('Engineering'  and  competitiveness being lucky accidents that snuck through).

 

This (diffuse and on a very broad hard to see scale for most) I think drives a lot of things that seem to happen for other more obvious reasons, with this being the real underpinning. 

 

[Scary Guy]

Just because third wave feminists doesn't understand what egalitarianism means doesn't make it any less valid.  Of course they'd like to make it all about them but too damn bad.

Arguing against men's rights and women's rights is stupid.  Everyone deserves rights, but apparently saying that's as oppressive as saying all lives matter too.

We need Duckman to come back and talk some sense into everyone in a nice long rant.

 

[Troy Spiral (13)]

gotta be careful of duckman.  He knows whats up but doesn't always let on.   

 

Words , even in modern socieity  were we have at least "more codified" definitions (in ages past words meanings were even more misunderstood) are easily misunderstood  or huge divergences in what they mean are common.  Especially given that words, used wrongly enough times, eventually become cannon.   Frustrating but true. 

Eglatarianism in partcular is not something I don't think anyone is incapable of looking up and known what it "means" but what it "means in actual practice and what is meant by it by them that use it in real life" are often very different.   Not that me saying that gives any indication of the "right" or "wrong" of their either 1.  Ignorance or  2.  Misunderstanding.   

 

Scary guy is right in that its a factual statement that to phrase a different way "Just because you don't know the definition of paranoid doesn't mean you are not paranoid".    Something could be true, even if the people doing the accusing are using the wrong terminology.  Again , nothing there says anything about the "right" or "wrong" of a thing from an ethical standpoint.  

[Scary Guy]

Exactly.  Like I said in the other thread, morality, good, and evil are all just points of view.  We all sense things differently and we all think differently as well.  Most of us can agree on the commonality of words, however things like apple or record can mean completely different things to people.

Record is a great example, since anyone 45+ probably thinks a vinyl disk, anyone 30-45 probably thinks of a CD, and anyone born in this millennium might think of a digital download.

Same thing with rewind, we don't wind anything now although we can reverse.

Words evolve, just like everything else.  Sometimes not always for the better though.

You'd be amazed at how many times I have to correct people on the definition of agnostic / atheist.

[Vater Araignee]

Not to be a dick but when I see the word record the first thing that pops into mind is "copy for future reference." Having an audiophile for an uncle helps.

And I was just saying Red Pill is used to mean to many things buy showing an apposing def, and because of the "feminize" i was inspired to relate how they view egalitarianism.

Now, when we consider definition is different from practice, we can plainly see that in practice feminism does not follow the dictionary and "Both Versions" are in fact anti-egalitarian. I can easily understand why feminists hate egalitarians.

Preempting Statement*: MGTOW and PUA are not the same as each other though they can have crossovers, and neither are the same as an MRA, though a small percentage are certainly MGTOW and or PUAs.

I also understand the issues MRA's have with egalitarians who refuse to identify as MRA's and or WRA's. Egalitarianism is to unfocused, it does nothing to help uniquely male or female issues it is just general human rights and if your answer to someone who is focusing on problems that are in there face is "Well that's nothing compared to whats happening thousands of miles away." You are also a problem that is in there face because you are detracting. I don't give two shits or a fuck about what is happening to kids in another country when kids in mine are still starving and fuck the kids in Ohio when kids in Michigan still have real problems etc. Same as I don't give a shit about some kid in Africa having their genitals mutilated when it is still considered okay in this country and even promoted by religious groups, supremacist groups, and moronic doctors using bad science.

Egalitarians do nothing under the title to fight the Tender Years Doctrine even though it is shown that a married woman is twice as likely to abuse a child as her counterpart and a single mother three times more likely than hers.

I gotta stop before I totally TL;DR

*This statement was written for feminists though they will refuse to stop conflating the three, I still had to try.

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[Scary Guy]

M/W-RA's need to get over themselves first.  Everyone thinks their problems are the worst, and that your problems are meaningless in comparison and are very unsympathetic/empathetic when it comes to them (especially if you're a white guy it seems.)

As far as people in other parts of the world, yeah their lives are shit.  Our problems aren't nothing, but they are really small in comparison.  However our problems are much closer to us and therefore look bigger in comparison, like blocking out a building with your thumb.  I think working on fixing issues abroad is good, but do agree that we should focus most of our efforts here at home.  I think the fact that we're seen by so many as the land of opportunity and "rich" blinds them to the issues of poverty so many here face.  The scary thing is that most of us are one $1,500 catastrophe away from homelessness ourselves.