Tim Osman is dead? Maybe but there is still a lie.

[Vater Araignee]

I have no doubt he's dead.

Why?

Even the right wing is not questioning this one.

For every Islamic scholar that says his burial was terribly insensitive, there's another

that'll say it was the proper thing to do.

Besides, those clerics will be against ANYTHING America does.

They've got DNA samples, which I don't believe Bin Laden was handing out at every corner.

Imagine they buried him?

Where?

Where could they do it that wouldn't get torched or defaced?

Or where he'd be dug up and run through the streets as the great martyr the clerics want to make him to be?

They did the right thing.

Bury him in a way no one could get at him, but in a proper Islamic rite so Obama couldn't objectively

be seen as not respecting Islamic law.

Vater has made a lot of sound points on this board recently (even if I disagreed with them)

but I think it's too conspiratorial to say Bin Laden is gone.

Oh, and gas is now over $4.30/gallon in Troy.

I had to point out those two lines.

According to his breed of Islam? They could have taken him out in the middle of the desert, dug a 20' deep pit, given him his burial rights and covered him up without a marker. Note the without a marker point, according to his sect a marker would be dishonorable.

My personal feelings as to what should have been done with the body after it was brought here and given a proper autopsy, the fucker should have been encased in clear acrylic and moved from city to city for all to see. Then after a few years sawed into manageable chunks and sent through a wood chipper into a landfill.

I think it worth restating. It isn't that I think he is alive, I think this "death" is staged.

[candyman]

My point isn't that it was a bad thing to do religiously, I only highlight to point out what a bullshit defense the disposal at sea is. Everyone wants to focus on that aspect being right or wrong so they can ignore the two issues with it that I highlight. The speed between supposed time of death and irrecoverable disposal method.

I don't see how it is a bullshit defense. Dead men at sea go "sploosh"...unless a contract states otherwise...so would it have been better to kick him out of the helicopter or whatever they took him back in? Would that be a "bonk" if you are over dry land? I think it would have been worse to toss him in the freezer until the ship returned to port...because there would be at least one person on the crew that would take advantage of a dead and hated man getting freezer burn on his corpse balls...and THAT would be sick.

[Vater Araignee]

I don't see how it is a bullshit defense. Dead men at sea go "sploosh"...unless a contract states otherwise...so would it have been better to kick him out of the helicopter or whatever they took him back in? Would that be a "bonk" if you are over dry land? I think it would have been worse to toss him in the freezer until the ship returned to port...because there would be at least one person on the crew that would take advantage of a dead and hated man getting freezer burn on his corpse balls...and THAT would be sick.

It is a bullshit defense because I say "why an unrecoverable disposal method" and an individual decides to point out that it acceptable with Islam.

Just because the method is acceptable does not make it a legitimate defense against the context of the question.

It is like me saying why the hell would you paint an outdoor pylon with watercolors when the rain will wash it away and you say because safety orange is an acceptable color. Bullshit defense.

[Vater Araignee]

WOW it didn't even take a week and the story fundamentally changed.

Now it is no longer a wound above the left eye but the shot went into the eye.

He didn't use a woman as a shield.

He was unarmed.

There was no Al CIAda fire fight.

The situation room photos of Clinton and Obama are false. They did not see it unfold live like originally claimed. This last bit disturbs me because Leon Panetta said it so I estimate that it has a 90% chance of being a lie.

Q: Why kill an unarmed man who nobody is trying to defend and potentially has so much valuable intell and could better serve the public with a trial then quickly dispose of the body in a non-recoverable manor?

A: Because he was already dead a long time ago and you don't want people knowing it.

[candyman]

It is a bullshit defense because I say "why an unrecoverable disposal method" and an individual decides to point out that it acceptable with Islam.

Just because the method is acceptable does not make it a legitimate defense against the context of the question.

It is like me saying why the hell would you paint an outdoor pylon with watercolors when the rain will wash it away and you say because safety orange is an acceptable color. Bullshit defense.

I though that people including me have answered why. It is burial at sea..."sploosh" if you will...which will also make the environmental people happy because his body will feed the fish and his bones might make a nice reef...

Either way you are getting into this too much. It doesn't matter when he died, if he died, how long his beard was, or if he had the chance to fuck a goat before he got killed if/when he died...he is insignificant. There are a ton of other blithering, sweating, bearded, psychotic, moronic, humanity hating, and selfish bastards that are already in place that we need to worry about.

I don't know how much of a hand he actually had or has in anything...but they can carry on with raping their own people on other people into submission without the dude. "Oh well the Americans gave you medical aid and while we would normally punish you for this crime against humanity Osama isn't here to give the thumbs up so have a nice day."

[Vater Araignee]

I though that people including me have answered why. It is burial at sea..."sploosh" if you will...which will also make the environmental people happy because his body will feed the fish and his bones might make a nice reef...

Either way you are getting into this too much. It doesn't matter when he died, if he died, how long his beard was, or if he had the chance to fuck a goat before he got killed if/when he died...he is insignificant. There are a ton of other blithering, sweating, bearded, psychotic, moronic, humanity hating, and selfish bastards that are already in place that we need to worry about.

I don't know how much of a hand he actually had or has in anything...but they can carry on with raping their own people on other people into submission without the dude. "Oh well the Americans gave you medical aid and while we would normally punish you for this crime against humanity Osama isn't here to give the thumbs up so have a nice day."

What you just said is the equivalent of "Don't pay attention to that man behind the curtain."

The whole you are right it doesn't matter when he dies except for the fact that they are lining about it...

profusely.

[candyman]

What you just said is the equivalent of "Don't pay attention to that man behind the curtain."

The whole you are right it doesn't matter when he dies except for the fact that they are lining about it...

profusely.

And?

Even in my little job here at commo I don't ask about shit because I know they won't tell me why. Some call is a "sheeple" mentality but I consider it something that really doesn't matter in the fucking long run because it happens all the time to every person in every country in every job position except for in movies.

Seriously, what will change if they really tell you? Chances are that they won't tell you and if certain forces really are involved then I personally would think twice about sticking my dick where it doesn't belong because I would like it to remain attached.

If a SEAL team really did go after him do you really think they are going to go "hey this is what happened" in a powerpoint or something? Shit, they even keep our chow menu in the Opsec arena for fear that we will kill the cooks.

My theory is that this is all a lie and that they really fed him to the secred "horrible-chicken-dildo-waterboard-Cher-rape-Popsicle-death-machine of hate" when nobody was looking. The video is on Redtube I think...and they peed on him afterwards...in his EYE!

[Vater Araignee]

What will change if they tell the truth? That in and of its self would be change.

I'm not gonna sit here and be a false patriot cheering the lie.

I'm not gonna be a false patriot by being unquestioning.

As long as I have my first amendment right I'm going to be a true patriot by pointing out all the bull and trying to get others to see it and react in an attempt for a peaceful change in the right direction.

I'll also point out that even if this staged event was true, anyone who gives Obama a shred of credit for it is an idiot.

[phee]

I have heard that the term "Deathers" is now a companion to the term "Birthers"

[Destroit]

I have heard that the term "Deathers" is now a companion to the term "Birthers"

I could care less about either because I'm a "Havealifer" .

I could care less about either because I'm a "Havealifer" .

[phee]

I could care less about either because I'm a "Havealifer" .

The wisdom of Cher strikes again!

[Vater Araignee]

I have heard that the term "Deathers" is now a companion to the term "Birthers"

How neocon of you.

[phee]

How neocon of you.

I don't think I have ever been called a neo conservative before.

[Vater Araignee]

I don't think I have ever been called a neo conservative before.

And you still haven't. The phrase calls your actions not you.

[phee]

And you still haven't. The phrase calls your actions not you.

Heh.... I have never had my actions called that either....

[Vater Araignee]

Heh.... I have never had my actions called that either....

Well your posts on this topic appear to take course directly from the 2nd neocon commandment.

When you have nothing to support your stance, you should resort to baseless belittlement.

~~~~~~~~~~~

I just found out that the body was dumped even faster than I though.

Supposedly he was lowered into the water before 5:30 pm Pakistani time.

That is less than 12 hours from TOD.

Now everything I was constantly hearing on different news channels and NPR was that he was genetically confirmed before dumping.

Now I was willing to believe that somehow with perfect genetic materiel they somehow managed to break the DNA analysis record by 75% using base 3 Short Tandem Repeats (something like 1 in 20k chances for a false match with uncontaminated materiel) and even that speed has crossed into the realm of self bullshiting. But faster than 12.5% of the 4 days it takes for B3 STR 454 pyrosequencing?

Now I haven't pointed out all of the inconsistencies and fallacies but I have pointed out enough to show that we are being lied to in some way. Honestly you don't have to know what is being covered up with a lie to know that it is a lie.

To those who can't bring themselves to admit it, I genuinely feel sorry for you. For the rest it is up to you to decide if you care or not.

[phee]

Who am I trying to belittle? Birthers?

And how is it baseless?

[Vater Araignee]

Who am I trying to belittle? Birthers?

And how is it baseless?

Having zero counter points to what has been pointed out, using not just hyperbole but absurd hyperbole and connecting one subject you disagree with to another you disagree with in which you had zero counterpoints to what had been pointed out and used not just hyperbole but absurd hyperbole.

[phee]

I am not sure what we a re disagreeing about.

[torn asunder]

how about we get back to the topic at hand, then!?

[phee]

how about we get back to the topic at hand, then!?

+1

[Troy Spiral (13)]

I have no doubt he's dead.

Why?

Even the right wing is not questioning this one.

For every Islamic scholar that says his burial was terribly insensitive, there's another

that'll say it was the proper thing to do.

Besides, those clerics will be against ANYTHING America does.

They've got DNA samples, which I don't believe Bin Laden was handing out at every corner.

Imagine they buried him?

Where?

Where could they do it that wouldn't get torched or defaced?

Or where he'd be dug up and run through the streets as the great martyr the clerics want to make him to be?

They did the right thing.

Bury him in a way no one could get at him, but in a proper Islamic rite so Obama couldn't objectively

be seen as not respecting Islamic law.

Vater has made a lot of sound points on this board recently (even if I disagreed with them)

but I think it's too conspiratorial to say Bin Laden is gone.

Oh, and gas is now over $4.30/gallon in Troy.

I'm with you generally. I never claim 100% certainty. (bit of a paradox there) But, there is a debate among right wingers about the viability of encouraging "Osama Denial" as a way to help discredit the current administration. (Just google "tea party osama denial" or similar language). Of course its never about getting at the truth, its about getting the power. Similar to say , encouraging doubts about global warming as a POLITICAL tool.

My only point there is , true or not, many will encourage a certain train of thought not with ANY desire to get at the reality of the situation, just as a means to an end, with no real interest one way or the other if it is actually true or not.

[phee]

I will say this.... One thing that makes me think it is NOT a lie is if he is still alive it would give him the perfect opportunity to release another video and discredit the nation + obama... I don't think they would take that risk.

[Troy Spiral (13)]

With so many "hoax or not?" type things out there my energy level to research this one and look at all the details is low. Currently still working on the historicity of Jesus and the anti-vaccine craze.

I've not dug into this really deep as many have above but it is the "sort" of thing i find interesting. I spent almost a year researching the anti-global warming thing, seems credible on the surface (for the short version watch "the great global warming swindle" you can downloaded via torrent or just watch it on youttube) but you can go down the list point by point and find that , in the end, its nonsense, but it "feels" correct as if you cherry pick details and don't dig deeper they sound credible.

"Osama's Death Was Staged" This "feels" the same way to me (global warming denial), but I'm open to the idea that Osama really is not dead. Just what cursory details I've looked into , such as DNA evidience apparently being very , very sound as far as I can tell any anecdotale evidience against it seems weak. Not to say its wrong, as I've not fully done my homework and wouldn't claim anything close to 99% certiantiy (which is about what I need to say something is a "fact"). I could easily be mislead and maybe he really is still alive. Seems unlikely to me though.

[phee]

Yeah... I have no doubt that stuff was hidden about it... we are being kept in the dark etc... but I am pretty sure he is dead.