Dark magick, necromancy

[d:konstruct]

I was wondering if anyone out there was heavily into practicing black magick, necromancy, etc? Are there any practicing satanists on the board? Perhaps vampire magick, dark kabbalistic, demonic, etc. I am doing research right now into the left hand path and would be interested in discussing this topic with serious minded folk in this area. If you want to discuss in private then email me on here. Otherwise, please share your thoughts, knowledge, experiences and thank you for doing so.

cheers!

[Class-Punk]

I consider Satanism to mostly be poetically dark or reactive Atheism, though I'm not sure the actual numbers of skeptics versus occultists. I don't believe in the occult or supernatural, but I do believe in samadhi or "religious experience" as a biological function. I think mainstream culture still has plenty of dominance over it by the Abrahamic religions, and Satanism is just a fun means of asking for rationality and popping that bubble. If its relevant, I wrote this post while listening to Take a Walk by Passion Pit.

[TronRP]

I consider Satanism to mostly be poetically dark or reactive Atheism, though I'm not sure the actual numbers of skeptics versus occultists. I don't believe in the occult or supernatural, but I do believe in samadhi or "religious experience" as a biological function. I think mainstream culture still has plenty of dominance over it by the Abrahamic religions, and Satanism is just a fun means of asking for rationality and popping that bubble. If its relevant, I wrote this post while listening to Take a Walk by Passion Pit.

Interestingly, I definitely feel you on this topic.

Unfortunately, I am limited to the number of people I can debate about regarding that issue around here.

I come from a long line of highly religious (not fanatical) individuals and that kind of talk gets me in hot water every time.

However, since half of my family are "sensitives" talking about ghost and the supernatural is second nature.

[Class-Punk]

Interestingly, I definitely feel you on this topic.

Unfortunately, I am limited to the number of people I can debate about regarding that issue around here.

I come from a long line of highly religious (not fanatical) individuals and that kind of talk gets me in hot water every time.

However, since half of my family are "sensitives" talking about ghost and the supernatural is second nature.

Maybe over half the things I've said on DGN I wouldn't say at a family party on either side because there are a lot of devout Christians in my family also.

Edited October 29, 2012 by Coffeenated

[TronRP]

Maybe over half the things I've said on DGN I wouldn't say at a family party on either side because there are a lot of devout Christians in my family also.

What's funny is we can talk about anything in my family, just as long as you don't claim to be involved in a group of an undesirable topic - that makes everything OK ...lol

It doesn't help that sometimes that attitude makes me want to play the antagonist...

(Laughs maniacally)

[Vater Araignee]

What's funny is we can talk about anything in my family, just as long as you don't claim to be involved in a group of an undesirable topic - that makes everything OK ...lol

It doesn't help that sometimes that attitude makes me want to play the antagonist...

(Laughs maniacally)

Guess I lucked out. At 14 I became a Strega and aver the next 4 years convinced my father and his brothers to give up the holy roman church. Yeah they became Lutheran but hey.

Nonna always did call me her little ammaliatrici (charmer).

On my mothers side, one aunt blew me off knowing I was on the path, the other died claiming me to be a demon worshiper mostly thanks to her husband. My mother became Wiccan and my stepfather became agnostic (he was an atheist).

I consider Satanism to mostly be poetically dark or reactive Atheism, though I'm not sure the actual numbers of skeptics versus occultists. I don't believe in the occult or supernatural, but I do believe in samadhi or "religious experience" as a biological function. I think mainstream culture still has plenty of dominance over it by the Abrahamic religions, and Satanism is just a fun means of asking for rationality and popping that bubble. If its relevant, I wrote this post while listening to Take a Walk by Passion Pit.

Satanism (not this kid created from reading a few Anton S. LaVey and Aleister Crowley books and turning it into a mockery)is actuality a christian offshoot of Luciferinism.

A few observations:

Adult kiddie satanists, tend to be pseudo intellectual atheists with a child like persecution complex. You know, no one gives a shit but they still whine about how they are hated.

Satanism: Most attend a traditional christian church. Most are Masons. Some practice dark wicca and or voodoo. All believe.

Luciferinism: Some attend a traditional christian church. All are Masons or where Masons (there is something above the 33 degree but I cant remember what it is called). All of them practice a plethora of other religious rights and "spells" if you will. None of them where central middle class or lower, that isn't to say there aren't any now times are hard for anyone but the rich. Almost every single male set of my Phedodar. Many where jesuits, priests, nuns and a variate of ministers and what not.

And neither group is as secretive as many would have us believe, in fact they seem to revel in the uninitiated of the anti organized religion persuasion knowing about them. It is some piece of dogma they go by about "Some have to know the truth least the lie become truth" or something like that.

[Class-Punk]

Satanism (not this kid created from reading a few Anton S. LaVey and Aleister Crowley books and turning it into a mockery)is actuality a christian offshoot of Luciferinism.

A few observations:

Adult kiddie satanists, tend to be pseudo intellectual atheists with a child like persecution complex. You know, no one gives a shit but they still whine about how they are hated.

Satanism: Most attend a traditional christian church. Most are Masons. Some practice dark wicca and or voodoo. All believe.

Luciferinism: Some attend a traditional christian church. All are Masons or where Masons (there is something above the 33 degree but I cant remember what it is called). All of them practice a plethora of other religious rights and "spells" if you will. None of them where central middle class or lower, that isn't to say there aren't any now times are hard for anyone but the rich. Almost every single male set of my Phedodar. Many where jesuits, priests, nuns and a variate of ministers and what not.

And neither group is as secretive as many would have us believe, in fact they seem to revel in the uninitiated of the anti organized religion persuasion knowing about them. It is some piece of dogma they go by about "Some have to know the truth least the lie become truth" or something like that.

I think due to lack of statistics on the matter of who identifies with the term Satanist its hard from an objective standpoint to really know which personal beliefs reign out. There was also the Satanic Panic or "Satanic ritual abuse" that happened in the 80's and 90's which was mainly just rumor spread by Christians, which still affects how the word Satanist is seen today. I don't personally believe in the occult or the paranormal, but definitely that psilocybin cubensis should be kept away from people who own black hoods.

Edited November 12, 2012 by Class-Punk

[Vater Araignee]

I think due to lack of statistics on the matter of who identifies with the term Satanist its hard from an objective standpoint to really know which personal beliefs reign out.

You wouldn't happen to be one of those people who claim an atheist can be agnostic are you? I mean I can identify with Christians but that doesn't make me a christian and if I claimed to be, well that's all it would be, a claim.

There was also the Satanic Panic or "Satanic ritual abuse" that happened in the 80's and 90's which was mainly just rumor spread by Christians, which still affects how the word Satanist is seen today.

You have to be honest about the "panic", it could and has been used as a Great Oz propaganda tool.

Sure you do have the uneducated masses who would take a walk in the woods, see the remnants of a cooling drain and or gut pile and assume the worse. You also have the kids who play at Satanism. All it did was get people to say "There is none of that here. All it was was scared Christians looking for a boogeyman in the woods." Never mind the fact that many Satanists participated and even instigated preposterous outrage over nothing as cover.

I don't personally believe in the occult or the paranormal, but definitely that psilocybin cubensis should be kept away from people who own black hoods. =P/>/>

I find paranormal to be highly laughable but the occult under the original intention of the word is very real.

I personally haven't seen a book prior to 1950 where occult was used to mean magic or some paranormal drivel that was not written by an individual who was/claimed christian. Hell Kabbalah Occult literally means "Receiving hidden knowledge". Once you look at what cult means you start to understand the occult was the hidden knowledge needed to properly care for a shrine. That leads to the crux of the belief that occult means magic, but knowing you have to keep the pipes clean and the water at a specific level in the vat so that when the fire is lit on the alter a door opens revealing a statue of the deity... simply is not magic.

Shrooms+Lovecraft= :spank/> cults :cylon-pancarte06:/>

[TronRP]

Wow, After reading this tread, no wonder I'm so screwed up...I got it going and coming...Cult, Occult, Paranormal...

[Class-Punk]

You wouldn't happen to be one of those people who claim an atheist can be agnostic are you? I mean I can identify with Christians but that doesn't make me a christian and if I claimed to be, well that's all it would be, a claim.

I would be one of those people. I am a smartass and I have fun with different words. If I call myself a Goth Poser for fun and don't dress in all black, but I secretly know Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Sisters of Mercy, The Cure, Sex Gang Children, 45 Grave, Alien Sex Fiend, Iron Curtain, or even newer Dark Indie stuff, like The Soft Moon, Frank (Just Frank), O.Children's first album, Soft Kill, The Horrors, ect., people would take my word for it. If I called myself a Satanist, some people would consider me a Satanist and some wouldn't, because the public equates it with dark romanticism.

As for Christianity, I leave those judgment calls up to Richard Burnish.

Edited November 13, 2012 by Class-Punk

[Vater Araignee]

I would be one of those people. I am a smartass and I have fun with different words. If I call myself a Goth Poser for fun and don't dress in all black, but I secretly know Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Sisters of Mercy, The Cure, Sex Gang Children, 45 Grave, Alien Sex Fiend, Iron Curtain, or even newer Dark Indie stuff, like The Soft Moon, Frank (Just Frank), O.Children's first album, Soft Kill, The Horrors, ect., people would take my word for it. If I called myself a Satanist, some people would consider me a Satanist and some wouldn't, because the public equates it with dark romanticism.

As for Christianity, I leave those judgment calls up to Richard Burnish. :stuart:/>

It is just as impossible for an Atheist to be agnostic as it is for a devout fundamentalist Cristian to do the same. Your "goth poser" example is like comparing apples to ER309L. The general public does not equate Satanism with any for of romance tho I will give you you average person can't express what they truly mean because they don't have enough of a grasp on vocabulary to express it or the think the artistic expression extends to concise communication.

Hell, even my vocabulary is garbage, but when people get pissed in vocal conversation one tends to lose what isn't being used.

[Class-Punk]

It is just as impossible for an Atheist to be agnostic as it is for a devout fundamentalist Cristian to do the same. Your "goth poser" example is like comparing apples to ER309L. The general public does not equate Satanism with any for of romance tho I will give you you average person can't express what they truly mean because they don't have enough of a grasp on vocabulary to express it or the think the artistic expression extends to concise communication.

Hell, even my vocabulary is garbage, but when people get pissed in vocal conversation one tends to lose what isn't being used.

I'm not big on semantic arguments but just to state my opinion.

From dictionary.com:

Atheist: A person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Agnostic: A person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

In the sense of disbelief I don't see a difference.

I don't see what's not darkly romantic about the stereotype of a bunch of people black hoods at night, sacrificing a poor sentient being in some sort of unholy ritual. I'm talking about romanticism as theatricality or an excess of a culture, not attraction; on par with Gothic Fiction, with Satanic Ritual Abuse mostly being the fiction that got out of hand.

Edited November 14, 2012 by Class-Punk

[Vater Araignee]

Let me explain those definitions for you because there is a difference.

The definition for atheist is plainly stating that they believe there is no god or as the agnostics put it "Atheists have faith there is no god."

The definition for agnostic is plainly stating agnostics just don't know either way.

Left = THERE IS NO GOD!

Right = THERE IS A GOD!

Center = Maybe, maybe not.

Trust me when I say true Agnostics don't like being lumped in with atheists because a true Atheist tends to be just as bad as a bible beater.

I don't see what's not darkly romantic about....

Exactly! You don't see, nor do I, but neither of us are the public we are just a miniscule fraction. Just like the average person can't tell you what the three branches of American government are nor their function, they can't tell you what Romanticism is. Hell they will tell you that it is wooing, but not in so few words. Be it deliberate or accidental it is a result of dumbing down the language.

But I'll give you that do think it, they just don't know that they do.

[Class-Punk]

Exactly! You don't see, nor do I, but neither of us are the public we are just a miniscule fraction. Just like the average person can't tell you what the three branches of American government are nor their function, they can't tell you what Romanticism is. Hell they will tell you that it is wooing, but not in so few words. Be it deliberate or accidental it is a result of dumbing down the language.

But I'll give you that do think it, they just don't know that they do.

Indeedy.

[d:konstruct]

I am not a satanist but I am interested and have been studying up on black magick. I was just wondering if there was anyone who was seriously interested in black magick and wanted to chat it up with me sometime. I have recently discovered a group using black gypsy magick and necromancy. I find them fascinating. Now I am no stranger to the occult. I have been a member of the Golden Dawn, AMORC, Druidism, I studied cabala in Israel for a while, etc. I have had an extensive library of ceremonial magick and studied for well over 25 years now. This group that actively practice necromancy, black magick, etc, are like no other group I've ever seen. If anyone would like to discuss this more with me sometime, message me. However, if you get squeamish about Satanism or blood rituals, bone magick , demonology, or African voodoo based things, this is not your cup of tea.

Have a darker day...

:}

[TronRP]

I am not a satanist but I am interested and have been studying up on black magick. I was just wondering if there was anyone who was seriously interested in black magick and wanted to chat it up with me sometime. I have recently discovered a group using black gypsy magick and necromancy. I find them fascinating. Now I am no stranger to the occult. I have been a member of the Golden Dawn, AMORC, Druidism, I studied cabala in Israel for a while, etc. I have had an extensive library of ceremonial magick and studied for well over 25 years now. This group that actively practice necromancy, black magick, etc, are like no other group I've ever seen. If anyone would like to discuss this more with me sometime, message me. However, if you get squeamish about Satanism or blood rituals, bone magick , demonology, or African voodoo based things, this is not your cup of tea.

Have a darker day...

:}

My family is from the south...bone magick and voodoo were known parts of the culture so this probably won't sound weird to you...I was a flood gate at 6 months and sealed at 5 years old. From time to time I feel the walls of the worlds grow thin. I have a heightened sixth sense and premonitions are a way of life. And even with all that, as much as I want to study the subject, it would end up being something I had to do in secrete do to main family religious beliefs. With the "Mother Matriarch" a.k.a. our grandma, you do not "mess around with those sorts of things". Problem is, I don't have to find them, they find me...I look at Druidism, Voodoo, Necromancy, Black Magick, Witchcraft, Evocation, Wicca, etc. as tangible ways of connecting with what's already there. I just have to find a communication method that won't get me excommunicated from the family unit...