What ever happened to...

[Hellion]

:devil I hear nothing but negative remarks about this procedure' If it works I would like to test it out and see if it will help me. Depending on what it costs I want it done to me so I can stop the war in my mind; and have peace with myself again.

[bean]

When I was going to school for my psychology degree, they said that they only do shock therapy in "extreme cases," like when meds and therapy don't work, because we know more about the brain these days and medication is supposedly more predictable and more effective. The medication changes the chemical processes that lead to mental problems, where shocks just zapped stuff and fried things in there. *shrugs* I don't know what else to tell you about that one.

[pomba gira]

I've known several people who underwent electro-convulsive "therapy" in the '60s & '70s... none of them had anything good to say about it. Apparently it pretty much zombifies you for a period of days or weeks, and really ravages your memory. I did a little research on it back when I was working in mental health agencies; what I found pretty much tallies w/what BeanWater had to say.

I kind of doubt you would find anyone willing to do it on someone as young & as high functioning as you.

[Daevion]

damn, dude!! don't go zapping yourself like that you'll end up catatonic or labotomized

[Rozzlyn]

It's nice to see that the spirit of the Good Ol' American Quick Fix is still alive in metro-Detroit.

[Scary Guy]

Hell I'll do it (on you) for a 6 pack of pepsi and the electrical cord I'll be using on your head lol.

Other fun things to do are take a peice of tinfoil, take an extention cord, hook up the positive and negative and throw the ground into the ground. Now bet someone they can't piss on it from x ammount of feet away.

Yeah there are better ways.

[Homicidalheathen]

Ditto to this CRANK. We love you man....do you want me to come burn one with ya?

I hear they have gotten better at the electro thingy but Rai.linga on here has like 3 degrees in phsic and he is totally against it.....I am with him.

damn, dude!! don't go zapping yourself like that you'll end up catatonic or labotomized

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[wheresmypiggy]

They still do forms of shock therapy.

Get yourself institutionalized, but you have to get put in Aurora.

They will dope you up, shock you on a regular basis, strap you to your bed and let you drool on your face and lay in your own excrement for days.

You feel so much better when you get out.

I'm cured!

[Paper Hearts]

I've heard rumors that the Mormans use shock therapy to try and straighten out thier gay members.

[Fierce Critter]

EST is still used today. The big difference between EST today and EST of the 60's & 70's and earlier periods is the combined use of muscle relaxants to keep the violent spasms from happening.

It's used legitimately, but reservedly. Some people who have lived a life of misery due to meds or other therapies not working for them have found EST to be a near miraculous solution that enable them to live more "normal" lives than they ever could have hoped for. (All this comes from some TV docs I've seen on the subject)

That said, would I want to see my husband go through it? No. Not unless EVERY OTHER alternative had been tried & failed.

[Brenda Starrr]

I don't think you need that. Just lick a 9-volt. Repeatedly.

[Dollardave]

Wifey had ECT when I went berserk this last spring with her sister. They do it with needle now. Inject some shit into you. They knock u out first. You will have to be commited to a mental hospital first and the procedure takes some weeks to have. ECT is very serious shit and it can make u forget completely important things in your life its dangerous. It didn't help wifey forget about my big ass dick tho.

[kellygrrrrrl]

They hand out psychopathic drugs now instead......Better for the pockets

[SomeDanGuy]

I don't have much to add, but yes, Electroconvulsive Therapy (ECT) is still used occassionally. Personally I wouldn't do it but there are a few people out there who say it saved their lives. I think the most common use now is for severe depression that has been unresponsive to other therapies for a long, long time. This is not something you do on a whim.

And yes, it does screw with memory, mostly short-term. Short term memories are held in reverberating electrical circuits, and if they're reinforced enough they will eventually be converted to long term memory which is retained in actual structural changes in the brain. ECT essentially wipes the electrical slate of the brain clean so you lose short term memories which are only held in electrical circuits, not yet structural changes.

[Hellion]

:devil PS right now I am getting drunk at some bar in Mt Clemens that I have never been too. My Job is comming to an end soon; I;m lonely and blitzed. I do not want to lose the car, If this treatment that I am getting info about going to do something then let it be done. I do not want to remember anyone who screwed me over, lied, enjoyed breaking promises, in general being dishonest. I donnot know how many times I have tried to move up the corporate ladder and failed because I am myself and I refuse to fuck good people over. I will probably be living in the car, because the owner of the company that I work for will not advance my career.

THIS IS THE

BEGINNING OF THE END!!!!!

[Rozzlyn]

Ditto to this CRANK.  We love you man....

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I don't lve him. I barely know anything about him.

All *I* know is:

1) Electro-shock Therapy is antiquated technology used these days ONLY if nothing else has helped and ONLY on patients so deeply dysfunctional that any hope to make them functional, even the miniscule hope with Electro-Shock (as mentioned, it's EXTREMELY unpredictable), is at least *some* hope.

2) The fact that somebody is functional enough to adequately communicate with people in *any* medium of communication forums (such as an Internet message board) suggests that this person is probably functional ENOUGH to avoid Electro-Shock at all costs.

...and...

3) If the aforementioned person in Item 2) voices that s/he may want/need Electro-Shock suggests that this person is looking more for a "quick fix" to their problems than any real interest in actually taking care of these problems.

Seriously, thinking that one's head-problems can be taken care of with the same antiquated technology in <i>Return To Oz</i> is retarded. I mean, not only is that a quasi-period flick (early 20th century -- it was set in what? 1911?), it was also a family-oriented horror/thriller film. Seriously. That movie scared me shitless when I was a wee bug. ESPECIALLY the creepy doctor and head nurse with the electro-shock machine. Taking advice on psychological well-being from an "evil" character in a horror film -- and a horror film based on a book written almost a hundred years ago, to boot -- is retarded.

[Rozzlyn]

:devil PS right now I am getting drunk at some bar in Mt Clemens that I have never been too. My Job is comming to an end soon; I;m lonely and blitzed. I do not want to lose the car, If this treatment that I am getting info about going to do something then let it be done. I do not want to remember anyone who screwed me over, lied, enjoyed breaking promises, in general  being dishonest. I donnot know how many times I have tried to move up the corporate ladder and failed because I am myself and I refuse to fuck good people over. I will probably be living in the car, because the owner of the company that I work for will not advance my career.

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OK, look, this right here -- you are NOT a typical candidate for electroconvulsive treatment and and doctor who got his degree from a university rather than a cracker-jack box will deny any requests you have for ECT and refer you instead to....

A therapist.

You know what? We all go through bad times. We all get screwed over by people we assumed to be good and friendly. It means you're a human being living in the human world -- it does NOT mean you need to get your ass pumped full of muscle relarants and have your head fried.

If you don't like the direction your life is going in, ECT will not "cure" you of your self-assumed "failures".

If you don't like the direction your life is going in, you have two choices: Learn to live with it, or change your course of action. That's the ONLY thing that will "cure" you of your self-assumed "failures." NOT Electroconvulsive treatment.

[Troy Spiral (13)]

After 2 1/2 years of minimal results from an insane array of medications one of my psychologists suggested shock treatment, so i can only concur with most of the above and say that in extreme cases , its a valid treatment but at the same time i have a hard time picturing you, in your current state as i understand it, being a good candidate. In my case just the idea of it scared the hell out of me, and i avoided it. About 4 months ago i decided to get my ass in gear and start working out and dieting like a nazi as well as cutting back on many of my unhealthy behaviors. (which is around the time people started seeing me out of my hobbit-hole) I stoped being so self-absorbed , sometimes i have to be cheerful just for the sake of being cheerful , which has helped greatly. Fuck "the world" if its not giving you any reasons to be cheerful/content just git er done. Much easier said than done i know.

[Rozzlyn]

After 2  1/2 years of minimal results from an insane array of medications one of my psychologists suggested shock treatment, so i can only concur with most of the above and say that in extreme cases , its a valid treatment but at the same time i have a hard time picturing you, in your current state as i understand it, being a good candidate.    In my case just the idea of it scared the hell out of me, and i avoided it.  About 4 months ago i decided to get my ass in gear and start working out and dieting like a nazi as well as cutting back on many of my unhealthy behaviors. (which is around the time people started seeing me out of my hobbit-hole) I  stoped being so self-absorbed , sometimes i have to be cheerful just for the sake of being cheerful , which has helped greatly.  Fuck "the world" if its not giving you any reasons to be cheerful/content just git er done. Much easier said than done i know. 

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You raise a good point here -- a lot of times, one's lifestyle has more to do with their mindset than any kind of brain-chemical pecularities, no matter how valid the imbalance. It's not the source of everybody's problems, but if nothing else, a healthier lifestyle can NEVER hurt.

...but dude, the "grouphug" emoticon frightens the bejeezis out of me. More than the happydance or the spank.

[Troy Spiral (13)]

...but dude, the "grouphug" emoticon frightens the bejeezis out of me.  More than the happydance or the spank.

Immersion therapy. You can get through it , i have faith in you.

[Rozzlyn]

   

Immersion therapy.  You can get through it , i have faith in you.

   

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I have faith in playing "smile and nod to humour the crazy person" -- not just people I've dated know how to play that, you know.

[soothsayer]

They will dope you up, shock you on a regular basis, strap you to your bed and let you drool on your face and lay in your own excrement for days.

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That sounds like such good clean fun. How can anyone resist? :cheerful :blink

[wheresmypiggy]

That sounds like such good clean fun. How can anyone resist?  :cheerful  :blink

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I loved life after that for about a good month. Maybe I should go back? :erm

[Paper Hearts]

I sure hope things go better for you, Crank. Your character is worthy of 'healthier' handling by others-

[Dollardave]

Crank Posted Yesterday, 05:05 PM

  PS right now I am getting drunk at some bar in Mt Clemens that I have never been too. My Job is comming to an end soon; 

That sux big time are u lookin then for work in your field the construction industry? I'm sure you'll find something and won't lose the "g ride".