How Are You Feeling? (cont'd)

[NocteSpiritus]

5 minutes ago, TronRP said:

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The next time I start feeling odd, I'm going to remember this conversation because this is embarrassing to me, given that I'm the one who helps others with their symptoms and medical conditions as a Homecare Provider.  So, this will help me catch things sooner.

lol I hope not as embarrassing as you think. I'm prolly in the same boat as the "Helper" with -- in this case -- medical issues. Consider it as Lesson Learned.

[kat (1)]

On 5/30/2020 at 10:33 PM, TronRP said:

Feels like I pushed it today.  I thought I was taking my time with the grass cutting since I was have leg issues, but now my fingers and toes feel super sensitive and I'm fighting a Charley Horse that's trying to start and the rest of my body feels like it hates me....or strongly dislikes me.  I know I'm not as young as I used to be, but this feels different than usual body exertion...or maybe it's my new normal body exertion. 

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I have a lump on my calf the past three days and today (pre-fight) I been limping a bit. I have a ultrasound tomorrow. I had a weird charley horse the other morning and I couldn't figure out how this lump came about but now that u say Charlie horse I am wondering if that did something to me? 

Are you ok?

Edited June 1, 2020 by kat

[TronRP]

4 minutes ago, NocteSpiritus said:

lol I hope not as embarrassing as you think. I'm prolly in the same boat as the "Helper" with -- in this case -- medical issues. Consider it as Lesson Learned.

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I have a mental condition that replays events over and over again in my head...so that's where the "embarrassing" part comes from.

😄

[NocteSpiritus]

7 minutes ago, TronRP said:

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I have a mental condition that replays events over and over again in my head...so that's where the "embarrassing" part comes from.

😄

I think many people have that.

[TronRP]

7 minutes ago, kat said:

I have a lump on my calf the past three days and today (pre-fight) I been limping a bit. I have a ultrasound tomorrow. I had a weird charley horse the other morning and I couldn't figure out how this lump came about but now that u say Charlie horse I am wondering if that did something to me? 

Are you ok?

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I get a Charley Horse when my body is low on potassium and I'm on the verge of dehydration.  I kept pushing things for the past 2.5 weeks because I couldn't tell I was having issues until I started getting clumsy.  The sudden spike in temperatures affected me more than I was aware of.  Fortunately, I am OK now.

 

Charley Horse:

https://www.google.com/search?q=charley+horse&rlz=1C1ASRM_enUS760US760&oq=charlie+horse&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l7.7392j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[kat (1)]

56 minutes ago, TronRP said:

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I get a Charley Horse when my body is low on potassium and I'm on the verge of dehydration.  I kept pushing things for the past 2.5 weeks because I couldn't tell I was having issues until I started getting clumsy.  The sudden spike in temperatures affected me more than I was aware of.  Fortunately, I am OK now.

 

Charley Horse:

https://www.google.com/search?q=charley+horse&rlz=1C1ASRM_enUS760US760&oq=charlie+horse&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l7.7392j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

❤❤ I'm glad you are ok.  

[kat (1)]

@TronRP I should delete everything about the fight..just in case. 

[TronRP]

1 minute ago, kat said:

@TronRP I should delete everything about the fight..just in case. 

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Nope.  This is a necessary thing.

[kat (1)]

I have 3 anxiety pills to last me two weeks.

[TronRP]

@NocteSpiritus and @kat

I do thank you for your concern about my wellbeing.  I had actually forgotten that I had commented on my state because I was so out of it when I posted it here.  Now that my head is not so cloudy, I can use these posts for reference.

 

And kat, I know it feel concerning when you post things here, but it is a good thing.  We are sitting on pins and needles here because of the protest scheduled to happen on July 7th.  History keeps repeating itself because no one wants to start the dialogue that causes the "bad feelings", yet they will be more than happy to act out about it.

 

This is a time when we are all supposed to be coming together, but it only takes one maniac with access to social media to stir up tensions where there are many waiting to answer the call.  Someone needs to be the voice of reason, but until that happens, we are doomed to destroy ourselves.

 

I just wish more people would open their eyes and see truth instead of terror. 

[NocteSpiritus]

2 minutes ago, TronRP said:

@NocteSpiritus and @kat

I do thank you for your concern about my wellbeing.  I had actually forgotten that I had commented on my state because I was so out of it when I posted it here.  Now that my head is not so cloudy, I can use these posts for reference.

 

And kat, I know it feel concerning when you post things here, but it is a good thing.  We are sitting on pins and needles here because of the protest scheduled to happen on July 7th.  History keeps repeating itself because no one wants to start the dialogue that causes the "bad feelings", yet they will be more than happy to act out about it.

 

This is a time when we are all supposed to be coming together, but it only takes one maniac with access to social media to stir up tensions where there are many waiting to answer the call.  Someone needs to be the voice of reason, but until that happens, we are doomed to destroy ourselves.

 

I just wish more people would open their eyes and see truth instead of terror. 

I know that, Tron. In the spirit (or the prompting your post made to me) of coming together (and starting the conversation) I wanna share this with everyone (with some back story).

 

BS: For the past couple years, I've participated in what's called GISH (GISHWES = Greatest International Scavenger Hunt the World Ever Saw). It's a week long creative, out of the box thinking event where you and up to 14 team mates do items on a list (I have this past weekend's mini Hunt list saved just to give an idea of what's on the 200 plus item main Hunt list). The winning team (which is announced months later cuz, the main Hunt is MASSIVE) goes on a ... 3? day trip (min of a 3 day trip) to the country money raised for. Each year, you sign up and pay what you can (does have a min amount) and that money goes toward something. Last year it was for those effected by/helping to remove land mines from the Vietnam war in Laos (the trip was to Laos).

 

A couple months ago, the people that run Random Acts (a non profit) came up with the idea of a mini Hunt (a one day, 24/25 hour event) with the same thing as above. Obviously there wasn't a trip for that mini hunt or the one from this past weekend (think the winning team gets home made jam made by Misha/ the Collins family). The money raised from both hunts went to giving kids effected by covid meals. 515,000 meals provided from this past weekend's mini Hunt alone.

 

Story: Due to the civil unrest from Floyd's murder (cuz that's what it was), those overseeing the mini-Hunt this past weekend weren't sure if it should be cancelled (it wasn't). But the list items had changed to reflect what's going on. One of the items was a webinar (two webinar's via zoom) with Legos that included Misha's two children (West and Masion) and the Ackles' children (JJ most likely and maybe Arrow and Zeppelin). Another zoom event was to be a game event with some of the guest stars (Felicia Day (Charlie), Osric Chau (Kevin) and one other); both those were postponed/cancelled. 

 

But one webinar that I watched (and helped for the hunt item) was this one: A Conversation on Racial Inequality and Injustice. 

 

Sorry for the long post.

[TronRP]

I am feeling so disillusioned with the reemergence of the "Black Lives Matter" movement.  In this current era of global connectedness, it doesn't have the same impact that it once did when it was first coined July 13, 2013.  However, a different form of racism is being incited due to the use of those who are opting for the phrase "All Lives Matter".

 

In my head, "All Lives Matter" makes sense, but in real world practice, it is seen as downplaying the fact that minorities are more often racially targeted than other races.  And then there is the argument female rights are overlook when one phrase is used over the other.

 

I just start feeling like quoting Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

[NocteSpiritus]

3 hours ago, TronRP said:

I am feeling so disillusioned with the reemergence of the "Black Lives Matter" movement.  In this current era of global connectedness, it doesn't have the same impact that it once did when it was first coined July 13, 2013.  However, a different form of racism is being incited due to the use of those who are opting for the phrase "All Lives Matter".

 

In my head, "All Lives Matter" makes sense, but in real world practice, it is seen as downplaying the fact that minorities are more often racially targeted than other races.  And then there is the argument female rights are overlook when one phrase is used over the other.

 

I just start feeling like quoting Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

I get where "All Lives Matter" is coming from, but I kinda have to side with those using "Black Lives Matters". Yes, all lives matter, but not until those lives that are being targeted against are brought up to the same level as the majority (mainly white) peoples. There are still missing Indigenous people missing. Latino people are still seen as those who are mostly illegals who come in and steal jobs from "us (white) Americas". I don't see those who use that stupid argument working 12-14 hours a day out in the fields harvesting crops (example from watching Dirty Jobs where Mike was harvesting hops. And the supervisor he was with was telling him that the guys who work there do 12 hour shifts with a half hour lunch break). 

I'm not claiming no one's life is worth less than another's; the "All Lives Matter" I wanna say, came from whatever side/group that wanted to counter the "Black Lives Matter" movement. Until we all can sit down and talk with each other, nothing is going to happen. And if it takes peaceful protesting to get to that point, so be it.

 

My life doesn't matter more than yours, Tron or your families. Or anyone else that I've met. I will still work/support/be the ally in whatever happens.

[TronRP]

2 hours ago, NocteSpiritus said:

I get where "All Lives Matter" is coming from, but I kinda have to side with those using "Black Lives Matters". Yes, all lives matter, but not until those lives that are being targeted against are brought up to the same level as the majority (mainly white) peoples. There are still missing Indigenous people missing. Latino people are still seen as those who are mostly illegals who come in and steal jobs from "us (white) Americas". I don't see those who use that stupid argument working 12-14 hours a day out in the fields harvesting crops (example from watching Dirty Jobs where Mike was harvesting hops. And the supervisor he was with was telling him that the guys who work there do 12 hour shifts with a half hour lunch break). 

I'm not claiming no one's life is worth less than another's; the "All Lives Matter" I wanna say, came from whatever side/group that wanted to counter the "Black Lives Matter" movement. Until we all can sit down and talk with each other, nothing is going to happen. And if it takes peaceful protesting to get to that point, so be it.

 

My life doesn't matter more than yours, Tron or your families. Or anyone else that I've met. I will still work/support/be the ally in whatever happens.

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I totally hear you there.  We grew up with all of this information.  It's just that I was shocked when I was going to say how people should start a peaceful movement of all lives being just important as others.  However, when I typed in "All Lives Matter" just to see what I would get, I saw celebrities attacking each other over the usage of Black vs. All.  Another guy reigned from his job being labeled as racist.  Feminist were making claims that they were not being represented....

 

It was Pandora's Box.

[NocteSpiritus]

32 minutes ago, TronRP said:

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I totally hear you there.  We grew up with all of this information.  It's just that I was shocked when I was going to say how people should start a peaceful movement of all lives being just important as others.  However, when I typed in "All Lives Matter" just to see what I would get, I saw celebrities attacking each other over the usage of Black vs. All.  Another guy reigned from his job being labeled as racist.  Feminist were making claims that they were not being represented....

 

It was Pandora's Box.

1. To have a protest for "All Lives Matter" would make things worse, not better. 

2. I'm not sure if the involved celebrities in the fight over the use of Black vs All grasp what it means or what's going on.

3. I haven't heard about that, so not gonna touch it.

4. Feminist groups have no say whatsoever whether they're being represented or not in the overall unrest over the death of Floyd or racism. Harsh considering my presenting gender, but feminist/feminism has no baring in the current polical/socio unrest.

 

 

[TronRP]

2 hours ago, NocteSpiritus said:

1. To have a protest for "All Lives Matter" would make things worse, not better. 

2. I'm not sure if the involved celebrities in the fight over the use of Black vs All grasp what it means or what's going on.

3. I haven't heard about that, so not gonna touch it.

4. Feminist groups have no say whatsoever whether they're being represented or not in the overall unrest over the death of Floyd or racism. Harsh considering my presenting gender, but feminist/feminism has no baring in the current polical/socio unrest.

 

 

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And yet they are all vying for a piece of this action

[NocteSpiritus]

9 hours ago, TronRP said:

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And yet they are all vying for a piece of this action

I know. I think it might be attributed to the whole "they're getting attention. I want some, too." and start raising their voices that young kids tend to do. Like, seriously? We've had centuries of death of black people and we as a society finally had enough and rose up a la the French people to bring down the French Monarchy and you unrelated groups wanna get attention? No. Sit down and shut up since you're not helping.

[Stu]

Let's make this more basic:
1. Murder is wrong.  Full stop.
2. Bigotry is wrong.  People who might be different than you are in some way are still PEOPLE.  Do not abuse or mistreat them.
3. Right now, black people are being targeted by government employees acting in MY NAME.  If I don't speak up, roll up my sleeves and ACT to stop it, then I am complicit.  I refuse to condone state-sanctioned murder.
4. Diversity is a STRENGTH.  How rich is our culture because of all of the different people from all walks of life who immigrated here?  How lucky are we to be able to experience such diversity, right here at home?  How much better is our country because of it?  THAT is the definition of being "blessed."  We need to celebrate our difference as much as we celebrate our unity.
5. We need to be here for each other.  We're all we've got.  We need to stand up for our fellow human beings.  Sometimes the oppressors are our friends and family -- we cannot hide, slink away or bury our heads in the sand.  We need to challenge their bigotry and work to change hearts and minds.  We (as white people) need to CLEAN HOUSE.  Tolerance is complicity; just as the cops who stood by as their colleague murdered Mr. Floyd.  Don't stand idly by.  Speak up.  Educate.  And, for pity's sake, HELP.  Make your representatives know your name!  (Do you know theirs?)  Let them hear from you weekly, if not daily.  BE A PEST.
6. Make it about LOVE.  Don't shirk the word.  We talk a lot about "hate crimes."  It's easy to hate.  We hear that word a LOT.  So where's the love?  Don't we ALL want it?  Don't we all crave it?  And doesn't it feel SO much better to GIVE it?  WHY can't life be about love?  Why can't we help, nurture and lift up our fellow human beings and help them achieve their dreams?  It costs nothing to offer words of encouragement, or simply staying the hell out of someone's way.   Even though I'm an atheist, I've always liked the "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" ethic., but I also add the other half: "do NOT do to others anything you do NOT want done to yourself."  Think of the person you love the most.  What would you be willing to do for them?  Now think of a stranger and ask yourself, why WOULDN'T you do the same for them?  We're never going to make it as a species if we cannot learn to love one another and see and accept  the humanity of EVERYONE.

Right now, it MUST be about black lives matter.  The killing must stop.  The situation is untenable, and injustice cannot be tolerated anymore.  Maybe one day we can ALL look back and say, "those were dark times, I'm glad that's all behind us."  But that time is NOT now, nor is it anytime soon.  Not without work.  Not without unity.  We need to be relentless: as the Marines like to say, adapt, improvise and overcome.  And, frankly, I don't care WHY some people or groups ally themselves to this vision.  If they do it out of guilt, pride, virtue signaling, anger.... whatever.... as the old saying goes, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."  Welcome aboard.  We love you, too.

Just my thoughts and ramblings.  If you've gotten this far, thanks for your eyeball time. 

[TronRP]

@NocteSpiritus @Stu

 

Thank you so much for your insights.  I suppose it is hard for me to accept when people are genuinely looking out for others.

 

For me, this "attack on Blacks" is something we deal with everyday, then once in a while, it makes national news like Rodney King or Malice Green.  I suppose it's that I'm so close to the actions that causes the powderkeg to go off, that I get nervous about it being brought to worldwide attention because of the backlash we end up suffering.  It tends to create that "how dare you think you're as good as someone else...don't you know you're Black" and "you're only a couple generations from the fields yourself, who do you think you are".  I know that is psychological warfare, but it has been in effect for so long that there are still those that keep it going...not that they are bad people, but that they were raised as victims of racism themselves.

 

My generation grew up with "Eyes on the Prize", "Shades of a Single Protein" and "Roots" which all played to the entire school body every February in the school auditorium, preceded by the "I Have A Dream" speech by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. for Black History Class.  However, right before the end of my 8th grade year, parents of the non-Black students began a protest stating that it was unconstitutional to force their children to watch such stuff as it didn't have anything to do with them.  As a middle schooler, I remember feeling scared about that outcry of outrage because it reminded me of the incident that happened when I was in 1st grade and the newly immigrated father, of an Armenian child who was in my class, stormed our elementary school, threatening to shoot all of the teachers if his son had to recite the "Pledge of Allegiance" ever again.  From then on, that student never again stood up with us or placed his hand over his heart as we all stood together with pride for the American Flag.

 

So even back then, I found all of this concerning as Black History was completely phased out of our core classes and only taken as a high school elective.  Now, the youth of today have no true understanding of Black History unless it is taken as an elective in college, and by that time, they don't see a need for it.  While attending college, my "Speech-Debate" class got into a discussion about if there was still a need for Black History Studies in this country, to which one of my classmates replied, "Why do I need to study about being Black, I am Black."  I dropped my head.  She was 21. 

[Stu]

Obviously most of us white folks can't imagine what it must be like for our black friends, family and fellow humans.  A lot of us seem to want to jump right to the end, saying "why does color even matter"?  And while that is the ideal, and a day may come when such a thing is forgotten, that day is NOT at hand.  Not by a longshot.  Change is hard, especially when it involves hearts and minds.  I just hope that this isn't just another moment that passes by without any significant change.  I'm hopeful that we can seize this day and, this time, make it stick.  This killing has to stop.  The hatred has to stop.  And, yes, it looks like we've got our hands full educating the ignorant as well.  <sigh>

[TronRP]

46 minutes ago, Stu said:

Obviously most of us white folks can't imagine what it must be like for our black friends, family and fellow humans.  A lot of us seem to want to jump right to the end, saying "why does color even matter"?  And while that is the ideal, and a day may come when such a thing is forgotten, that day is NOT at hand.  Not by a longshot.  Change is hard, especially when it involves hearts and minds.  I just hope that this isn't just another moment that passes by without any significant change.  I'm hopeful that we can seize this day and, this time, make it stick.  This killing has to stop.  The hatred has to stop.  And, yes, it looks like we've got our hands full educating the ignorant as well.  <sigh>

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Cheers to That!

[NocteSpiritus]

I'm in the same boat as Stu with the whole "I'm white and won't ever really imagine what it's like to be black" aspect. But as one who's "woke", I call that being open minded and know what's right and wrong. 

 

As one who's a generation and a half younger than you two, I wasn't around for the Detroit riots, but I was alive back in 92 for the Rodney King riots (granted I was like ... 7/8 at the time being born in November of 86). Having grown up in a white neighborhood (I remember having one black kid in my class in the third grade, never saw him after that year was done). Not to say I've had black classmates in the following years, but that was my hometown's racial make up. I didn't grow up with Black Studies, pretty sure the community college I went for two years didn't have it. 

 

You may be black, but you need to know your history. Which will bring up slavery and the civil rights movement, and all that. And how the "White Man" stole your ancestors from Africa and brought them over to the Gulf Islands and America. African tribes sold out other African tribes to the white traders (yeah, I read Roots. Still have the copy), who then packed the holds so tight, a good number got sick/died during the crossing. 

 

As a younger member of society, I've benefited from the hard work that those have done before me have done (from woman's suffrage/right to vote, to work rights, and all other things I can't recall). Does that mean I can not go in and fight and lend my support to those that need it? Hell no; because that's who I am. Even if I don't go physically, my support is there regardless. 

I will snap on those who wanna counter Black Lives Matter with All Lives Matter. No lives matter until we're all on equal standing. 

[NocteSpiritus]

Frustrated because, although she means well, the sister's trying to find scholarships for me to apply for. Like, I wanna go back to school, but I wanna do the work in what's all involved in doing that. Let me find the scholarships, and stop pushing me (like our dad did) to do something I'm in no mind to do.

[TronRP]

1 hour ago, NocteSpiritus said:

Frustrated because, although she means well, the sister's trying to find scholarships for me to apply for. Like, I wanna go back to school, but I wanna do the work in what's all involved in doing that. Let me find the scholarships, and stop pushing me (like our dad did) to do something I'm in no mind to do.

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I totally understand that feeling.

There is a sense of accomplishment when you are able to handle something from start to finish.  Yet, at the same time, it's hard to not mimic behaviors from one's upbringing.  So a gesture of Goodwill may turn into an action of annoyance.  That's where you have to put your foot down and draw that line in the sand, establishing boundaries regarding how you want to handle your future. 

[TronRP]

Feeling happy that I was able to share one of Kali's favorite snacks with the girls.  Bonito Flakes.