Real Fur

[Marzsopure]

http://www.peta2.com/TAKECHARGE/t-wetseal.asp

[Homicidalheathen]

Been a peta member for years.

[Marzsopure]

There is a very good local group: http://www.animalrights.meetup.com/4/

-Marz

[The_Dark]

I've been a member of People Eating Tasty Animals all my life.

[The_Dark]

You do realize that the animal being skinned alive in that video is not infact a rabbit. Also that the video is from somewhere in Indonesia where they eat dogs and such. They eat all kinds of animals over there... boycotting a local clothing store is not going to change the culture of another country that has existed for thousands of years.

[soothsayer]

  The_Dark said:

boycotting a local clothing store is not going to change the culture of another country that has existed for thousands of years.

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Soooooooo true. In fact, cows are sacred animals in some cultures and we butcher them for food and clothing. Should we be boycotted?

[Marzsopure]

Your first comment was very rude and ignorant of you to post. Boycotting local stores that sell fur items will help alot and by the way wear do you think most American products come from.....other countries! So why would you include such an irelivant statement?

[soothsayer]

Hmmmm..animal rights. Exactly what are animal rights? Do animals have the right to not be malled and eaten by other animals? And if so, what will animals eat? Should they all become veggies? I mean, where does one draw the line? Animals kill each other for food every moment of the day. Is that humain? Or is it just natures way of survival and feeding the population. As far as I can tell it's been working that way for millions of years. Certainly looooong before peta came to be. Is peta trying to change that or do they just not want people doing things they disagree with?

[Marzsopure]

I only wanted to educate people on what they are purchasing when shopping. What the cost was to make it, ect. Basically I feel after watching the video I do not know how you can still be ok with it. Regardless if you eat meat or what not. I am right now only talking about fur and your all in an uproar.

[soothsayer]

Uproar is I think stretching things.......expressing our views I think is closer to the truth. I guess maybe because it's a different opinion from yours that it's making you upset.

[Paper Hearts]

We are knowledgable enough at this point that we do not have to eat meat to survive-we can get our protein from many other sources and of course we don't have to kill animals to make clothing either...can you you really find so much to ridicule someone about if they choose not to use animal products or is it more likely that they'd find more to say against someone who does? I'm not a PETA member, but I'm with her on this one.

[Marzsopure]

I have not been eating meat for about 5 years now and I am very healthy. It is so ignorant when people start raging about how you have to eat animals to live its how the world is yada, yada, yada.

[soothsayer]

I like meats such as steak and hamburgers, I'm not giving up what I like because of what's going on in some other country. If you choose to it's your choice for you and I respect that. Only remember I have a right to say I don't feel boycotting one store is going to end this. In the 60's there were a lot of people who thought they were gonna change the world and that didn't happen and the country got worse. So, as far as peta and protests go.....show me results and maybe I'll change my mind. As for clothing, I like leather..plain and simple. Not giving that up either. Power to you and others who wanna make a life style change, that's cool. Btw, I wasn't rideculing her just discussing things and asking questions. This is a discussion board right?

[Paper Hearts]

in 100 years, eating meat will most likely be looked back on like we now view slavery-

I don't understand arguing for the unnecessary killing of anything...

[Marzsopure]

Here is another site to learn more:

http://www.furisdead.com

[soothsayer]

  Paper Hearts said:

in 100 years, eating meat will most likely be looked back on like we now view slavery-

I don't understand arguing for the unnecessary killing of anything...

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Ok no offense ph but comparing the slavery of african americans to eating food is just ludichrist. Your talking about animals and humans, how can you compare the two? Animals are NOT on the same level as humans. How can you compare them?

Also, I 100% disagree that people are gonna decide that they no longer wanna eat lobster or steak or what have you just because a few in our population want everyone to eat soyburgers or veggies and grains. Sorry, I have to say......it won't happen. Some things change but we as a race have conditioned our bodies from the foods that have always been there, i.e. animals. You can't change evolution because of this or that, we are carnivores. It's just a fact of how we came to be.

[Marzsopure]

Thanks for respecting the fact that some people do try to change things in the world that need to be.

[soothsayer]

I never said I didn't respect you but if you wish to look at it that way then so be it.

[Marzsopure]

You did watch the video right?

[The_Dark]

I watched the video and saw it for what it was. Shock. It doesn't matter that what is depecited in the video has absolutly nothing at all to do with the artcle it's embedded in. It shocks the viewer and disgust them. When they actually read the article, that shock and revultion sticks with them. It's called brain washing and it seems to have worked on you.

And just so you know. Real fur is grown on fur farms here in the states. At least Rabbit, Mink and Artic Fox is. In the case of beaver or other exotic furs.. those are still trapped by... well, guys like me in this country and others.

You don't like to eat meat. Thats your choice. Study evolution before you start calling people ignornat on the subject. People were eating meat long before they were eating soy beans. Infact, in the days of the hunter/gatherer.. noone ate beans of any type and almost no grains what so ever. The closest thing we have to a real natural diet is called the Paleolithic diet. It includes Meats, Fish, vegatable and fruits for the most part. No grains, no beans. Basically, if you can eat it without any preperation at all, it's on the Paleolithic diet. Humans, when the population started to grow settled down. Gathering didn;t supply enough food anymore. So we started to farm and look for alternative foods. Thats when grains and beans came into our diet. That was about 12,0o0 years ago. People have been around for how long? 3 million years? 3.3 million?

Here is a test. Eat a hand full of raw Soy beans. Be prepared to go to the hospital. They are poison. Now, when you recover from that. Eat a hand full of raw hamburg. You may get repulsed, but you wont get a real physical reaction. Why? Because our bodys are meant to ingest the meat, not the beans.

[The_Dark]

Another little tid-bit from the ignorant. That great big human brain you have... You have that because your ancestors ate meat. That, btw, is a proven scientific fact.

btw, my first comment about being a member of People Eating Tasty Animals was a joke. Grow a sense of humor and stop being insulting and closed minded.

[The_Dark]

Here's an informative link for you.

[ManicQueen]

This is getting quite interesting.

[Fierce Critter]

My husband and I have a very strong love for all wildlife, all animals.

But we are meat eaters.

My basic bottom line is this: Do you fault the wolf for hunting the rabbit? Does it become a lesser being in your eyes for doing that which it was made to do?

This will be debated ad infinitum by vegans, vegetarians & meat eaters forever, I think. I was reading one such debate on a message board, and at one point, the person siding with not eating meat conceded one very, very important point: man lacks a certain enzyme or something or other (my memory is sketchy) required for breaking down plant matter.

Humans are omnivorous - we have teeth and digestive systems designed for both plant and meat. That is irrefutable, except from very biased sources, which cannot make scientific fact untrue.

My husband started an animal rights group in Florida - a group he was almost run out of once it got big enough and populated with enough extremists to determine that all members had to be vegan and just about members of the ALF to "belong". We both share a very deep belief that, except for certain primative peoples, the need to kill for fur alone is completely ludicrous. There are certain other animal-respecting principles we stick to.

But we eat meat, and will continue to. And we use leather. And while we would prefer that only so-called "humane" practices be used in the farming of animals for man's use, we are realistic and pragmatic.

I would like to see people stop wearing fur. I would like to see people get real about the need for it. But man has hunted & farmed animals throughout history, and I don't believe that will ever stop, nor do I believe it should.

[Scary Guy]

K, I'm goth, and I clad myself in the leather of dead cow and eat meat.

I think everyone knows where I stand.

But I will say it is nice to be on the top of the food chain.

At least until I get eaten by a lion or something.

By the way, I thought Soylant Green was a good idea. I want to show that movie and serve cookies.

I'm sorry for being such an asshole.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=animals

I had to dig this out of the archives.