Do you consider the Confederate Flag Racist?

[Vater Araignee]

  The_Dark said:

The Alamo is different. It's a reminder of resolve. To stand and fight for what you believe in, even in the face of certian death. The fight is sometimes more important than the outcome. OK, so maybe it's not so different.

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It is different. The confederates didn't fight to the last man, they white flagged it.

[Guest Game of Chance]

phee look what you did =)

[Vater Araignee]

  float said:

dig it

just to clairify once again, I'm NOT defending confederate assholes

someone posted about "why would anyone celebrate a battle they lost?"

I am simply sighting another example

It's been my experience that Texans are as big if not bigger assholes than southerners....no offense to Texans on here

they want to split off into there own country...let 'em

sorry about the rant

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Hey every thing is bigger in tex ass.

[float]

"The stars at night are big and bright...."

[Daevion]

I don't consider it racist, even though some racists like to parade the the rebel flag and use it as such. Pretty much another tool for the extremists to pervert and use for whatever agenda they may have. People can sport the flag in whatever defiance they wish but it won't change the fact that the successor states lost and thier rebellion was crushed.

The south tried to succeed, all starting with South Carolina. The union came in and re-conquered the rebels. They were punished and shown the error of thier ways, Columbia SCarolina especially so.

[DarkVampire]

No. I myself don't consider it racist. I consider it part of my family's heritage since I have family from the South. A lot of Southerners consider it part of their heritage for good or bad, it's a part of them and their roots. I know this because of family and friends, plus I lived in Tennessee for a few years before moving back to MI. I am big in my family's history/geneology and use it to honor them. Just like I have the Union Jack, the Irish and the German flag to honor the other parts of my family tree. Unfortunately it's a symbol of evil thanks to racist mother fuckers out there who like to parade it around with the swazika. The swazika is another symbol that has been bastardized thanks to the Nazis. The ancient symbol of the four winds will never be looked on the same again.

[Vater Araignee]

  Daevion said:

I don't consider it racist, even though some racists like to parade the the rebel flag and use it as such. Pretty much another tool for the extremists to pervert and use for whatever agenda they may have. People can sport the flag in whatever defiance they wish but it won't change the fact that the successor states lost and thier rebellion was crushed.

The south tried to succeed, all starting with South Carolina. The union came in and re-conquered the rebels. They were punished and shown the error of thier ways, Columbia SCarolina especially so.

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YEE HAW!! :grin

[Rozzlyn]

  Scary Guy said:

I'm sure some people in the UK feel the same way about the US flag.

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HAHAHA!!!

Fuck you for beating me to that!

:grin

[Vater Araignee]

  Rozzlyn said:

HAHAHA!!!

Fuck you for beating me to that!

:grin

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:grin Keep saving face and don't admit anything else has been said. :grin

[wheresmypiggy]

No. I consider the ignorance that is associated with it racist. It was a fight for their rights and freedoms. Not about racisim.

[phee]

  Game of Chance said:

phee look what you did =)

It is what I meant to do....

[Black Sunday9]

It may or not be racist, but enough people are offended by it that maybe we should just put that flag to rest forever out of respect.

[Paper Hearts]

  Black Sunday9 said:

It may or not be racist, but enough people are offended by it that maybe we should just put that flag to rest forever out of respect.

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I agree. Something that symbolizes suffering to one group of citezens should not be endorsed, officially (be used on state flags, etc). We all know what the civil war was about and that's where that flag came from. Besides, when the south lost, that flag became invalid.

As far as looks are concerned, the desiegn and color scheme are way cooler than the stars and stripes flag. The stars and stripes has always seemed such a terrible looking thing to me. Who puts a blue box in the upper left cornor and fills it with stars? -Ridiculous.

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  Black Sunday9 said:

It may or not be racist, but enough people are offended by it that maybe we should just put that flag to rest forever out of respect.

Yup yup yup.... you know the swaztika is also a Navajo symbol of friendship, but I won't display one, no matter what my purpose is... I am not saying that all symboles deserve this scruteny, but one as widely used as a Confederate Flag or a Swaztika symbol, I think it is just plain respectful to not display them...

[Homicidalheathen]

Thats true. The Swaztika was once a powerful posititve symbol....thats why Hitler used it....He was into the occult somewhat.

  DarkVampire said:

No. I myself don't consider it racist. I consider it part of my family's heritage since I have family from the South. A lot of Southerners consider it part of their heritage for good or bad, it's a part of them and their roots. I know this because of family and friends, plus I lived in Tennessee for a few years before moving back to MI. I am big in my family's history/geneology and use it to honor them. Just like I have the Union Jack, the Irish and the German flag to honor the other parts of my family tree. Unfortunately it's a symbol of evil thanks to racist mother fuckers out there who like to parade it around with the swazika. The swazika is another symbol that has been bastardized thanks to the Nazis. The ancient symbol of the four winds will never be looked on the same again.

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[Homicidalheathen]

I am still friendly with white power types and all. I don't care. I just shook hands with a guy the other day with a huge swaztika on his arm. For all I know, he had to join a gang in prison to avoid becoming someones bitch.

I try not to judge on the spot like that.

  phee said:

Yup yup yup.... you know the swaztika is also a Navajo symbol of friendship, but I won't display one, no matter what my purpose is... I am not saying that all symboles deserve this scruteny, but one as widely used as a Confederate Flag or a Swaztika symbol, I think it is just plain respectful to not display them...

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[phee]

  Homicidalheathen said:

I am still friendly with white power types and all.  I don't care.  I just shook hands with a guy the other day with a huge swaztika on his arm.  For all I know, he had to join a gang in prison to avoid becoming someones bitch.

I try not to judge on the spot like that.

That is most unfortunate... I would never/could never/ will never be "freindly" with white power types, only in the sense of trying to convince them to change... I also know that returning the violence is just as bad...

It is hard for me to be friendly with people who want people I love dead...

[Rozzlyn]

  Homicidalheathen said:

I am still friendly with white power types and all.  I don't care.  I just shook hands with a guy the other day with a huge swaztika on his arm.  For all I know, he had to join a gang in prison to avoid becoming someones bitch.

I try not to judge on the spot like that.

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There's a difference between not judging people on the spot and being actively friendly toward people in direct opposition to one's core beliefs to the point of not just defying but insulting those beliefs.

I'm not going to automatically judge a person for having a swastika tattoo -- but if I find out he has it for the "wrong" reasons, I could never be his friend. That's just such a complete 180 turnaround from everything I stand for that I'd be insulted if he took my shunning of him with offense.

[Rozzlyn]

  phee said:

It is hard for me to be friendly with people who want people I love dead...

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Precicely!

Plus, there's returning their violence with violence -- and then there's just showing distaste for their ideas. I'm past my days of roaming the streets with a cricket bat, looking for neo-Nazis to beat the shit out of, but that doesn't mean I have to like, accept or even be nice to those people.

[Head Wreck]

erm. its just a cloth.

identity of a person is in the hearts and minds.

not in a cloth traditionaly hel by the regimental pin cussion (archers aim for banners) or prove a rally point. (hence the big deal about loosing flags, troops will route with no rally point)

[Marblez]

  Rozzlyn said:

I'm past my days of roaming the streets with a cricket bat, looking for neo-Nazis to beat the shit out of, but that doesn't mean I have to like, accept or even be nice to those people.

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Ok, this is going to sound very goodie two shoes....but...

I am as nice as I can be to everyone. I am friendly to everyone. Sure, there are people that I disagree with but judging them harshly, being rude to them, treating them poorly..what does that do? What effect can that have on someone besides drive them deeper into their own views?

I will try not to put myself in harms way, I will not condone any activities which I disagree with, I will not force my opinions and standards on those around me but I will make them known. Best case scenario- mutual respect, and enlightenment on both sides. Worst case scenario, I have done no harm and I tried.

[Marblez]

Oh, and I attach no negative connotations to the Confederate Flag.

They were real people standing up for what they believed in, for their economy, for the lives and livelyhoods of their families. It was not for slavery. Slavery was an accepted norm in those days. Yes, I disagree with slavery - but these people were raised with it, taught that it was ok.

We have a lot of smokers here, Wouldn't you try to fight it if the govenrment said right now - Second hand smoke is killing innocent people - it is now banned, immediately. There will now be no sale of cigarettes, cigars or ANY other smokeable product. Strictest punishment for anyone found disobeying. Get over it, it is for the good of the non-smokers. Oh, and by the way...since you live in a tobacco dependant state - your economy will go belly up, you have known no other life so many of you don't have other marketable skills, there is no guarantee for your children and your children's children...

I am glad they lost, it is for the good of the nation...but don't hate them and try to squash their pride in the ancesters vallient fight against what they would have deemed as oppression. Sometimes a symbol isn't what everyone else believes it to be.

We couldn't overtake the opressors in Vietnam so we gave up...that makes us...what? Losers? Scrap that American flag, weaklings.

[Scary Guy]

Vietnam wasn't a war, it was a "military action".

I don't believe we have had an official "war" since WWII.

In any case I remember back in school we had a "heratage day" thing in the gym, everyone had to go to it. I remember there was an Irish booth, Scottish booth, German booth, etc... etc.., and a Southern American booth WITH a confederate flag over it. I also remember it had some good cornbread too

[Goth Brooks]

  wheresmypiggy said:

It was a fight for their rights and freedoms. Not about racisim.

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nor about slavery

<3 piggy

I support a state's right to secede, even if it's for a butthurt reason like who won the election.

[The_Dark]

Just an FYI... We declared war on Iraq before the first Gulf war.