Do you consider the Confederate Flag Racist?

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...Just curious...

[Msterbeau]

I saw a pickup with a large confederate flag and an American flag in the back. I thought perhaps he was a bit confused.

So aaaaahhh yeah. I do. No matter how people might think of it now, it was the flag that stood for (pretty much) allowing slavery to continue.

[phee]

I saw a pickup with a large confederate flag and an American flag in the back.  I thought perhaps he was a bit confused. 

So aaaaahhh yeah.  I do.  No matter how people might think of it now, it was the flag that stood for (pretty much) allowing slavery to continue.

I would agree entirely... I find it amazing that people parade it around and claim that it has "nothing to do with racism"...

[cptdeath]

for some folk who take pride in it it has to. for others there is a great deal of haritage and respect.

I know alot of folks in Mississippi way out voted to keep the flag in the capital.

many mississippi folks didn't even vote cause they had enough confidence in there fellow country men that did not have to. that the people of mississippi would keep the flag waving. This was the attitude of alot of colord folk down there too. they wanted that flag and feel proud of southern haritage.

"but ya'll is a Damn yankee an ya don't know piss about no flag. so wernt no god damn business o yurse anyhow." was what they said to my oppinion.

the question is who is using this flag to represent what. means many things to many people.

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[phee]

for some folk who take pride in it it has to. for others there is a great deal of haritage and respect.

I know alot of folks in Mississippi way out voted to keep the flag in the capital.

many mississippi folks didn't even vote cause they had enough confidence in there fellow country men that did not have to. that the people of mississippi would keep the flag waving.  This was the attitude of alot of colord folk down there too. they wanted that flag and feel proud of southern haritage.

"but ya'll is a Damn yankee an ya don't know piss about no flag. so wernt no god damn business o yurse anyhow." was what they said to my oppinion.

the question is who is using this flag to represent what. means many things to many people.

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Makes sense

[The_Dark]

I can sorta, barely stand seeing it when in the south... The civil was was about more than slavery. I have nothing but disdane for anyone in the north that flys it.

[float]

no, I don't consider the flag a racist

I consider the people who fly the flag racists

Ha

*rolls eyes at self for using predictable sarcasm

[Goth Brooks]

to me it's the same as the swaztika.. it depends on who's using it and for what reason they are using it.

i have runic tattoos on my arm that some could say are racist, just because white supremist groups use them.. does not mean the symbols are racist in nature.

prejudism is a two way street

[float]

seems like everyone in America is a little racist anyway

you don't have to completely HATE another race to have pre-determined opions about people based on their race

and everyone has some of it

some are just more polite, or cordial, or just hide it better

it all sucks

but diversity is cool, it's what makes life interesting

so i guess I'm saying, yes it's racist, but who cares

it's even more of a symbol of ignorance for the user

it's no more racist than Dave Chappell

the difference is that he's fucking Hillarious when he does it

[Fierce Critter]

Living in NC as I have for the past 3-1/2 years, what do I think?

I think it can go both ways, as has been previously said.

I have met people down here who simply use the confederate flag as a symbol of their pride in being southern. They're not racist, they're not believers that "the wrong side" won the Civil War. They're just proud to be from the southern states, and that is a good symbol for them.

But I have also seen jerkoffs who use racist terminology while waving around their beefy arms with confederate flag tattoos.

It is used for different sentiments.

I prefer it to be on the roof of the General Lee in the Dukes of Hazzard. I've noticed they're careful to not show very clear shots of the car's roof in commercials for the movie.

The removed it from the model kit, and I think that's really stupid.

[soothsayer]

I think two things when I see that flag, 1) They lost the war, thankfully and 2) hatred for people's freedom and rights.

This country doesn't need two flags but, freedom of speech covers this so they have a right to believe in a way of life that I choose to not believe in.

[Rozzlyn]

Depends on why it's being used.

Prop in a play? No.

Family heirloom on display? Not necessarily.

Prop in an activist demonstration? Probably not, except maybe to those racist groups who consider themselves "activists."

Sewn in whole or in part of the back of the jacket of some dumb kid shouting THE BIG BAD "N" WORD at the top of his voice? Most definately.

In a sticker on the back of a car of somebody driving through Compton? If the use isn't decidedly racist, they're definately looking for trouble (or are just plain stupid).

Speaking of Compton, it's not as bad as the media makes it seem. I got on the wrong train in L.A. to get to Hollywood from Long Beach (which actually involves *two* trains). My friends were scared shitless to come pick me up, and the "scariest" person I encountered whislt pan-handling to get back was an old homeless woman mumbling Russian to herself -- very not-Black complexioned. Yes, it's a predominantly Black area, by population, but Black people are only "frightening" to those who have racist attitudes.

[Scary Guy]

I can sorta, barely stand seeing it when in the south... The civil was was about more than slavery. I have nothing but disdane for anyone in the north that flys it.

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Thanks, I was gonna say that but you beat me to it.

If anyone remembers the Democrats were originally for slavery as well, does that mean being a democrat makes you a racist? No of course it doesn't.

As far as symbols go, some people consider the Iron Cross to be racist and yet I see that everywhere. The Iron Cross is no more racist than the Swastika is. More information at the following links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Cross

http://www.heathenworld.com/swastika/

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/...tikahistory.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

If they're racist it's only because people still carry a negitive stigma against them and associate them with racisim instead of what they're ment to represent.

It's like saying KFC is racist. Yes I want to manage a KFC, hire a bunch of black people, and have them refer to me as "massa". Hell thats so funny it should be an SNL skit.

[Vater Araignee]

No.

I consider it the traitors flag and for that reason alone it needs to be burned.

[Scary Guy]

No.

I consider it the traitors flag and for that reason alone it needs to be burned.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'm sure some people in the UK feel the same way about the US flag.

[float]

I'm sure some people in the UK feel the same way about the US flag.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ha ha ha ha ha

I'm sure they've had time to get over it

[Vater Araignee]

I'm sure some people in the UK feel the same way about the US flag.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That may be very true but consider this...

The confederacy attempted to secede and failed.

Had the U.S. failed at the secession attempt, it's flag would be a foot note in history not proudly displayed.

Where it to be displayed it would only be to show victory.

On a different note.

I never could understand why somebody would be proud of their ancestors failure unless they disagree, so why display disgrace?

[float]

That may be very true but consider this...

The confederacy attempted to secede and failed.

Had the U.S. failed at the secession attempt, it's flag would be a foot note in history not proudly displayed.

Where it to be displayed it would only be to show victory.

On a different note.

I never could understand why somebody would be proud of their ancestors failure unless they disagree, so why display disgrace?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

remember the ALAMO?

we lost that one as well

not defending Confederate jerk-offs

just playing devil's advocate

[Lilith]

Thanks, I was gonna say that but you beat me to it.

If anyone remembers the Democrats were originally for slavery as well, does that mean being a democrat makes you a racist?  No of course it doesn't.

As far as symbols go, some people consider the Iron Cross to be racist and yet I see that everywhere.  The Iron Cross is no more racist than the Swastika is.  More information at the following links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Cross

http://www.heathenworld.com/swastika/

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/...tikahistory.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

If they're racist it's only because people still carry a negitive stigma against them and associate them with racisim instead of what they're ment to represent.

It's like saying KFC is racist.  Yes I want to manage a KFC, hire a bunch of black people, and have them refer to me as "massa".  Hell thats so funny it should be an SNL skit.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

NOw about that flag, well i know it was used or has been seen for racism, but being some one who has strong southern family heritiage i allways saw it as a sign of my history, although i have never personally flown it ,it just has never appealed to me to show my heritage in this way, I much rather just make cream corn and bake biscuits. those are the things i actually grew up with on a daily basis that showed my heritage. Not so much that flag but for some that is what they choose to show it. Others are just ignorant and closed minded and make for some fiesty arguments. Also becasue of my family every time i do see a flag i normally think "Hillibilly" or man has been along time since i have been to Tennesse to see every one.

Now about the Iron Cross, well unfortunatly i have recently done a bit of research because there was a family argument about this. My 10 yr old saw an iron cross belt while at big lots with my mother in law. She of course went off about hwo it was offending the Jewish people and My 10 yr old said he dont care about what jewish people think he likes it and so on.............. They use this symbol on many of the items my child identifies with ( choppers, indepent truck compnay, goth clothing in general etc..........) HE is 10 not racissts and only wants what he sees in his every day invronment. He does not see it as racisit and neither did I. But yes there are groups who have adopted this symbol with modifications ( like the swastika in the cross) because there old one was out lawed. Does not mean every one wearing the symbol believes the same thing.

My conclusions on symbols in general, they dont start off with any meaning untill some one gives them that meaning, In history there have been symbols that have been used for wrong ideas and right ideas and then in recent times those same symbols have been used for another meaning. Hell even our own V fingered Peace sign has a deragotory meaning in another country that no one knew about untill our President screwed up. I think it is wise for the average person be aware of the diffrent meanings but they should kep an open mind aboutthe person displaying the symbol untill they get a chance to speak withthe person and see

what that symbol means to them.

My 2 cents n nuttin more

lilith

[Homicidalheathen]

Yes. I have white power reletives in the south. The Confederate flag to them, represents a war they STILL think they should have won. They wear it on their stupid baseball hates like some secret code.

[Vater Araignee]

remember the ALAMO?

we lost that one as well

not defending Confederate jerk-offs

just playing devil's advocate

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

We didn't lose the Alamo. That was not a U.S. fight it was part of The Texas Revolution.

So the Texans lost their battle with Mexico, ultimately allowing the U.S. to reacquire it's citizens and get the extra territory acquired by the Texans.

Did you know that Texas is the only state allowed to fly its flag as high as Old Glory?

[float]

I didn't know about the texas flag

[float]

I'm not saying it was a loss for US independence or anything

I'm saying that it was a loss that people, especially Texans, celebrate

[The_Dark]

The Alamo is different. It's a reminder of resolve. To stand and fight for what you believe in, even in the face of certian death. The fight is sometimes more important than the outcome. OK, so maybe it's not so different.

[float]

dig it

just to clairify once again, I'm NOT defending confederate assholes

someone posted about "why would anyone celebrate a battle they lost?"

I am simply sighting another example

It's been my experience that Texans are as big if not bigger assholes than southerners....no offense to Texans on here

they want to split off into there own country...let 'em

sorry about the rant