Matial Arts Ninja or Samurai? spin off.

[Vater Araignee]

Almost all Martial Arts should have the word martial removed from their name Because of their inherent flaw.

sparing and competition.

I kicked this one punks ass from an old job that had been claiming to have been studding Tae Kwon Do since he was a kid.

Well at a bar I got sick of his general bull shit and his threatening people so I decided to do something about it.

Oh yes he got in a few good hits, even ended up with my jaw locked open, but he was not prepared for Real Life, his years of competition fighting could not handle my years beat down or be beat down real life training.

At the time I didn't understand that his training worked to my advantage. I was trying to hurt him, he was trying to score points.

I'm still proud of what I did to him, people say he became a different person after that and I chuckle every time somebody says "Ty thuckin con oh ith ditch"

Any body know of a real martial art that:

Is not to complicated.

Does not take long to master.

Does not depends on skill, speed, size or strength.

Has real life principals.

I have searched book after book and I keep asking the same question "If somebody grabs my wrist why am I going to twist, turn, reverse bla bla bla rather than punch them in the face of kick their balls?"

Once again Real life combat training is what im looking for. not POINT BLUE!

[Onyx]

That's what attracted me to Sanchin-Ryu. There are no competitions and it is all geared toward self-defense. I've run into a lot who say it isn't as good as other forms of martial arts because there are no competitions but I could not care less about competing. I don't have time for that anyway. I wanted to learn how to defend myself and my children. (My daughters are going also, and so far they really are enjoying it, even my apathetic teen).

It is assumed you are being attacked by someone stronger than you and teaches you how first of all to avoid getting into the fight in the first place, but if there is no choice to get out of a situation with the most injuries to your attacker and the least injuries to yourself.

The emphasis is not on "winning" but coming out alive with the least amount of damage.

Also, since it's strictly self-defense, they encourage fighting dirty :devil

[Shade Everdark]

Some of us don't expect to get into fights.

Some of us don't expect to get into competitions, either.

When I practised kendo (only a short time, I know), there was at least as much philosophical study as there was physical or technique training. I miss that, now that I can't study it anymore, actually.

[Vater Araignee]

Some of us don't expect to get into fights.

Some of us don't expect to get into competitions, either.

When I practised kendo (only a short time, I know), there was at least as much philosophical study as there was physical or technique training.  I miss that, now that I can't study it anymore, actually.

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I can understand that, and I am not saying that M As are crap just that in the real world of combat they are mostly impractical most people don't have the decades that it takes to make it all instinctual.

It has been proven time and time again that instincts win fights between physically equal opponents.

BTW a person at where work at now, saw my post and challenged me to a match at his dojo and can't understand why I had to turn him down so maybe if he reads what I said to him.

I can not fight you, my fighting is geared towards doing maximum damage to my opponent. In order to prove myself correct I would have to try to put you in the hospital not spar.

I don't play fight and that is what competitions and sparing is.

Plus I don't want to hospitalize my self. If I have to split the back of my head open to make the base of your skull take the impact of our combined weight and momentum, I will.

If I have to break my arm to break a neck, I will.

This is why I want real combat training, less damage to me.

I will kick an opponent wile they are down and the only determining factor on how hard and often is how pissed and tired I am at that point.

Learning to quickly overcome myself and stop before I take it to far is why I will be taking T'ai Chi Chuan

[pharoh]

I can understand that, and I am not saying that M As are crap just that in the real world of combat they are mostly impractical most people don't have the decades that it takes to make it all instinctual.

It has been proven time and time again that instincts win fights between physically equal opponents.

BTW a person at where work at now, saw my post and challenged me to a match at his dojo and can't understand why I had to turn him down so maybe if he reads what I said to him.

I can not fight you, my fighting is geared towards doing maximum damage to my opponent. In order to prove myself correct I would have to try to put you in the hospital not spar.

I don't play fight and that is what competitions and sparing is.

Plus I don't want to hospitalize my self. If I have to split the back of my head open to make the base of your skull take the impact of our combined weight and momentum, I will.

If I have to break my arm to break a neck, I will.

This is why I want real combat training, less damage to me.

I will kick an opponent wile they are down and the only determining factor on how hard and often is how pissed and tired I am at that point.

Learning to quickly overcome myself and stop before I take it to far is why I will be taking T'ai Chi Chuan

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I myself am in Tae Kwon do, but I do it for the exercise, just because you took someone down who's in tkd, doesn't mean all martial arts are a joke, people do it for all the wrong reasons and give it a bad name. And I aggree with you the fact that all the sparring in the world doesn't compare to the real thing, but I will tell you this: no matter how bad you are, there is someone else out there that is badder. I don't want to fight with people cause I know what I can do, and I don't have control of myself in that situation, but I would never intentionally look into it.

On a side note, if you want something more brutal....look into krav maga, if you never heard of it, jlo does some in the movie Enough, but you know how hollywood is, it's much more brutal in real life then what they show.

Not trying to come off stand offish so don't take offense, but you shouldn't bash something just cause you took someone down who does it for all the wrong reason. It takes alot of focus and training to do alot of these things. They all are arts, the martial part...That derived from china with the samari (I know I didn't spell it right) cause in alot of places they were law the enforcement. And even our police officers here in the us take some form of combat training.

[Rayne]

I myself am in Tae Kwon do, but I do it for the exercise, just because you took someone down who's in tkd, doesn't mean all martial arts are a joke, people do it for all the wrong reasons and give it a bad name.  And I aggree with you the fact that all the sparring in the world doesn't compare to the real thing, but I will tell you this: no matter how bad you are, there is someone else out there that is badder.  I don't want to fight with people cause I know what I can do, and I don't have control of myself in that situation, but I would never intentionally look into it.

On a side note, if you want something more brutal....look into krav maga, if you never heard of it, jlo does some in the movie Enough, but you know how hollywood is, it's much more brutal in real life then what they show.

Not trying to come off stand offish so don't take offense, but you shouldn't bash something just cause you took someone down who does it for all the wrong reason.  It takes alot of focus and training to do alot of these things.  They all are arts, the martial part...That derived from china with the samari (I know I didn't spell it right) cause in alot of places they were law the enforcement.  And even our police officers here in the us take some form of combat training.

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Pharoh knows his...ummm....karate-ish, tae kwon do-ish stuff.

[pharoh]

Pharoh knows his...ummm....karate-ish, tae kwon do-ish stuff. 

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Awwww thanks sweety lol

[Onyx]

I said to him.

I can not fight you, my fighting is geared towards doing maximum damage to my opponent. In order to prove myself correct I would have to try to put you in the hospital not spar.

I don't play fight and that is what competitions and sparing is.

Plus I don't want to hospitalize my self. If I have to split the back of my head open to make the base of your skull take the impact of our combined weight and momentum, I will.

If I have to break my arm to break a neck, I will.

This is why I want real combat training, less damage to me.

I will kick an opponent wile they are down and the only determining factor on how hard and often is how pissed and tired I am at that point.

Learning to quickly overcome myself and stop before I take it to far is why I will be taking T'ai Chi Chuan

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That is a very good point. You can easily cause damage even in practice.

Last week my instructors said that in one of his advanced classes he was doing contact demonstratins but at 25% force only. He hit a man (was in his 40s) in the chest right over his heart with two knuckes, not enough to even bruise him, but a few minutes later the man had to be taken to get checked out at the ER and they found his heart was fluttering in an irregular rhythm.

I feel there has to eventually be some type of practice contact made though. Practicing on a dummy just isn't the same as contacting flesh and looking in someone's face.

[Vater Araignee]

I myself am in Tae Kwon do, but I do it for the exercise, just because you took someone down who's in tkd, doesn't mean all martial arts are a joke, people do it for all the wrong reasons and give it a bad name.  And I aggree with you the fact that all the sparring in the world doesn't compare to the real thing, but I will tell you this: no matter how bad you are, there is someone else out there that is badder.  I don't want to fight with people cause I know what I can do, and I don't have control of myself in that situation, but I would never intentionally look into it.

On a side note, if you want something more brutal....look into krav maga, if you never heard of it, jlo does some in the movie Enough, but you know how hollywood is, it's much more brutal in real life then what they show.

Not trying to come off stand offish so don't take offense, but you shouldn't bash something just cause you took someone down who does it for all the wrong reason.  It takes alot of focus and training to do alot of these things.  They all are arts, the martial part...That derived from china with the samari (I know I didn't spell it right) cause in alot of places they were law the enforcement.  And even our police officers here in the us take some form of combat training.

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I'm not looking for brutality, I am quite brutal on my own and as I have become more peaceful ( I never start fights any more ) I find that when I am pressed into a fight I have become even more vicious than when I was 20.

If you read what I am looking for in my first post you will see that brutality can not be read into it.

The only knocking of martial arts I'm doing is when it comes down to practicality.

Has any body ever broken down the laws of combat to you?

On order of importance

Run if you can and are not willing to get hurt.

Intimidate you opponent.

Be stronger faster and have more stamina.

Don't think just do.

Have more experience.

Have more skill.

I have heard that there is a stance that you can take that makes blocking obsolete and will wear down an opponent by allowing the to futilely beat on you it half sound like myth but I bet that if it is partially true it would keep most or all vital strike points protected.

Just think of the repercussions of one stance and no blocking. It can quickly be made instinctual.

And that goes back to my original point instinct not thought wins a fight.

[pharoh]

I'm not looking for brutality, I am quite brutal on my own and as I have become more peaceful ( I never start fights any more ) I find that when I am pressed into a fight I have become even more vicious than when I was 20.

If you read what I am looking for in my first post you will see that brutality can not be read into it.

The only knocking of martial arts I'm doing is when it comes down to practicality.

Has any body ever broken down the laws of combat to you?

On order of importance

Run if you can and are not willing to get hurt.

Intimidate you opponent.

Be stronger faster and have more stamina.

Don't think just do.

Have more experience.

Have more skill.

I have heard that there is a stance that you can take that makes blocking obsolete and will wear down an opponent by allowing the to futilely beat on you it half sound like myth but I bet that if it is partially true it would keep most or all vital strike points protected.

Just think of the repercussions of one stance and no blocking. It can quickly be made instinctual.

And that goes back to my original point instinct not thought wins a fight.

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Personally I think there is no rule of combat, I do what I have to do to make sure they don't get up and I can safely walk away. I don't like fighting anymore cause I have hurt to many ppl. I will always walk away unless there is no other way. This stance you heard about, any Idea as to what style that it's from? The things I like about the "New aged Dojo's" is that they are starting to get away from that traditional way of thinking....meaning that they are adapting like the Bruce Lee, who was way ahead of his time.

I would still suggest Krav Maga to you, if your not familiar with it, I can find alot of documentation for you about it. I am also a computer geek lol. I am looking at it from a real life situation, inflict as much damage as you can, with recieving as little damage as possible to you. I will be taking it after I am finished with TKD. It takes 3 years in my class just to become a blackbelt, ppl think thats along time, but it's quality of quanity in my opinion

[Vater Araignee]

well hook me up with the info I'll check it out

[Draco1958]

Personally I think there is no rule of combat, I do what I have to do to make sure they don't get up and I can safely walk away.  I don't like fighting anymore cause I have hurt to many ppl.  I will always walk away unless there is no other way.  This stance you heard about, any Idea as to what style that it's from?  The things I like about the "New aged Dojo's" is that they are starting to get away from that traditional way of thinking....meaning that they are adapting like the Bruce Lee, who was way ahead of his time.

I would still suggest Krav Maga to you, if your not familiar with it, I can find alot of documentation for you about it.  I am also a computer geek lol.  I am looking at it from a real life situation, inflict as much damage as you can, with recieving as little damage as possible to you.  I will be taking it after I am finished with TKD.  It takes 3 years in my class just to become a blackbelt, ppl think thats along time, but it's quality of quanity in my opinion

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3 years??? Wow, to me that seems quick. I guess it just depends on the person's commitment to learn and practice. I always thought it would take longer. I'm not one of those read a manual and you know everything so I do expect it to take time. Even at my age, I am still hoping to get on a work shift that will allow me time at a gym for weight training or a Dojo.

[pharoh]

3 years???  Wow, to me that seems quick.  I guess it just depends on the person's commitment to learn and practice.  I always thought it would take longer.  I'm not one of those read a manual and you know everything so I do expect it to take time.  Even at my age, I am still hoping to get on a work shift that will allow me time at a gym for weight training or a Dojo.

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Three years is along time compared to these other schools out there, and if you ever get a steady schedual whether it's days nights whatever, alot of schools have different classes to meet peoples needs, my classes are nice cause I can do morning classes or evening depending on shift, and also fight (spar) on weekends.

[pharoh]

well hook me up with the info I'll check it out

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Ok here is some sites I found:

http://www.kravmaga.com/michigan.asp

http://www.kravmaga.com/

http://www.krav-maga.com/

http://www.martial-way.com/kravmaga.html

http://www.krav-maga.org.uk/

Ok Vater, thats what I could come up with off the top, I'll search some more for ya, but get the movie called Enough. It has Jlo in it, but it gives you an Idea about it.

Basicly its israeli fighting from thier army. I will be doing it after I cut out some of this fight.

Oh and btw I was at a tourney today for sparring, and you should really check out Tourney's that have olympic rules. Basicly can't punch to the head, but you can to the body, but you can also legally knock them out by kicking to the head, so Check it out when you get a chance, it's alittle more pratical then you think lol .....

One more thing ppls, I will be fighting in a tourny just like this novemer 19 if anyone is intrested in going send me a message, this tourney is not play fighting, and personally I am going for knockouts lol.

[detroitrequiem]

Check out ToSHinDo which is modern day ninjutsu in Ann Arbor for realistic self defence training. We do some pretty intensive training in our dojo. We started a new program we call "embracing the tiger" which is full contact fighting though we still wear padded equipment. I didnt realize how intense the training was until I took two weeks off and went back into class and one of the guys hit me during training. It wasnt anything special just one of our ninja striking techniques. He literally lifted me off the ground and IM not a little guy either and sent me flying across the floor. You can earn a black belt in our school in around 3-4 years depending on your commitment to the art. I train maybe 4 times a week, some days 5 or more hours a day. The training we do is realistic self defence for real life situations. we also include the traditional ninja stuff though. I have never seen such quality martial arts before anywhere other than real shaolin, etc. We will be doing a demostration at the Briarwood mall in Ann Arbor this coming weekend.

[pharoh]

Check out ToSHinDo which is modern day ninjutsu in Ann Arbor for realistic self defence training. We do some pretty intensive training in our dojo. We started a new program we call "embracing the tiger" which is full contact fighting though we still wear padded equipment. I didnt realize how intense the training was until I took two weeks off and went back into class and one of the guys hit me during training. It wasnt anything special just one of our ninja striking techniques. He literally lifted me off the ground and IM not a little guy either and sent me flying across the floor. You can earn a black belt in our school in around 3-4 years depending on your commitment to the art. I train maybe 4 times a week, some days 5 or more hours a day. The training we do is realistic self defence for real life situations. we also include the traditional ninja stuff though. I have never seen such quality martial arts before anywhere other than real shaolin, etc. We will be doing a demostration at the Briarwood mall in Ann Arbor this coming weekend.

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I am doing a TKD tourney in avon lake ohio on the 19 with olympic rules, can't punch to the head, but you can knock out the person, so it's almost full contact, but what you do really sounds like fun, give me the time and date and you'll probly see me out in the crowd.

[Shade Everdark]

You also need--yes, NEED--to realize that some martial arts don't make any claims to practicality. Some encourage spiritual development through disciplining the body.

Personally, I think what I learned about mushin is far more valuable than what I learned about swinging a stick around when I studied kendo.

[detroitrequiem]

Mushin is a difficult state of freeing the mind but I agree greatly helps out your martial arts. As we approach our black belts we enter the elemental state of the void were one doesnt really think about the other elements anymore. When you can get to a level were you no longer have to think but just let techniques happen, your skill level greatly increases. We do have people hitting to the head but usually at 10% speed and with an open palm. In our higher levels we go a lot faster and use head gear. The Toshindo demo is at Briarwood mall this coming Saturday and Sunday, an all day deal. Various students will be talking to people about the art and also performing a few demos as well. I will be there all day both days. My name is robert, come say high. I will probably be one of the students getting wailed on a lot being 6ft, 240, I look kinda like a bouncer. There many so called secrets in the art which helps your skills out a lot. I know a few and they work. I've had a couple of moments of real "mushin" (no mind) moments were I did well. We also do something called "randori" which is decsion making were random people attack you with random attacks and you have to defend your self the best you can. It can get pretty stressful and intense if you dont have enough self control. Toshindo is at Quest Martial Arts in Ann Arbor off of pakerd rd between staduim and eisenhower rds. Their number (734)332-1800. Tell them robert sent you to get a free month of martial arts training.

"only a ninja can kill a ninja"

Sho Kosugi in revenge of the ninja (that phrase cracks me up)