Eddie Guerrero

[Draco1958]

Wounds Within is correct. Animal is tagging up with Heidenreich to form the new Road Warriors. Hawk passed away from heart failure I believe. I met them at Metro Airport when they were switching flights.

Animal is the one who died not Hawk. Just thought I would clarify that.

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[Steven]

YEah dude untill you've lived wwe as a lifestyle do not be comming on the forum and disrespecting Eddies memory like that or I swear I will see that you pay for it.

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Holy Cow People - RELAX ALLREADY (and how is that you'll make somebody "pay for it"??? let's be realistic here people)

I seriously doubt that Blackmail is talking shit just to talk shit - you guys arent even listening in detail.

I love wrestling - my wife hates it. Its all a big show - and the joke is that its soap opera activity for men. I dug Eddie too - but Stone Cold, The Rock, and The Ultimate Warrior were my faves.

That being said - I ALSO wonder if past Steroid Usage had a hand in this premature death. Just because someone cleaned up his act does not mean that former activity contributed to his death. And if Balckmail is right and toxicology reports show traces of current steroid use - well - it wont be much different than circumstances in other big time sports where athletes feel pressure to maintain a certain level of performance and need to recuperate and build up muscle tissue quickly.

And if his death seems to be related to past lifestyle issues with other drugs as his wife has suggested then once again thats a lesson to us all aint it???

[Draco1958]

I agree with you Steven. We need to relax and not get so defensive over someone's opinion. During the autopsy, they found damage to the heart from prevbious problems so that is part of it. Could he still have been using steriods?? Yes that is always a possibility however we must remember the Big Senate hearings over it when Hulk Hogan appeared and testified to his using them in the past. Since then there has been a strict watching of that in pro wrestling. Eddie beat his demons, cleaned up, got his body back in shape and found his faith in God and his family. He was proud of being clean. While possible he may have been using something, I believe he was clean and his past demons caught up with him.

Holy Cow People - RELAX ALLREADY (and how is that you'll make somebody "pay for it"??? let's be realistic here people)

I seriously doubt that Blackmail is talking shit just to talk shit - you guys arent even listening in detail.

I love wrestling - my wife hates it.  Its all a big show - and the joke is that its soap opera activity for men.  I dug Eddie too - but Stone Cold, The Rock, and The Ultimate Warrior were my faves.

That being said - I ALSO wonder if past  Steroid Usage had a hand in this premature death.  Just because someone cleaned up his act does not mean that former activity contributed to his death.  And if Balckmail is right and toxicology reports show traces of current steroid use - well - it wont be much different than circumstances in other big time sports where athletes feel pressure to maintain a certain level of performance and need to recuperate and build up muscle tissue quickly.

And if his death seems to be related to past lifestyle issues with other drugs as his wife has suggested then once again thats a lesson to us all aint it???

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[LIL_Tinkerbella]

Wounds Within is correct.  Animal is tagging up with Heidenreich to form the new Road Warriors.  Hawk passed away from heart failure I believe.  I met them at Metro Airport when they were switching flights.

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Go to wwe.com and go to the smackdown photos. Hawk has an armband that says Animal.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/smackdown/photos/1334994/

[Draco1958]

Go to wwe.com and go to the smackdown photos. Hawk has an armband that says Animal.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/smackdown/photos/1334994/

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And that is his name. Here is the link to his profile..... http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/ro...animal/profile/

And it states that he is now working with Heidenreich as the new Road Warriors.

I've met these guys...Animal and Hawk. Hawk passed away on Oct 18th, 2003

Animal and a fully-recovered Hawk made a surprise appearance on RAW on May 12, 2003 when they took on Kane & Rob Van Dam for the World Tag Team Championship. Although Hawk and Animal came up short in their attempt to become three-time champions, it was clear that Hawk had defeated the demons that had once kept him from competing, and the Road Warriors were complete once again.

Wrestling fans everywhere were shocked when Hawk passed away just months later on Oct. 18, 2003. At The Great American Bash on July 24, 2005, Animal dedicated the match to Hawk as he went on to win the WWE Tag Team Championship with new tag-team partner Heidenreich.

[Wounds Within]

Don't question Draco1958, he knows his wrestling.

[LIL_Tinkerbella]

Don't question Draco1958, he knows his wrestling.

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Ye and so do I. So I made a mistake. shoot me.

[Wounds Within]

Ye and so do I. So I made a mistake. shoot me.

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Just messing around with ya.

I did at one time heard a rumor about Animal passing away so for some time I also thought the same. Then not long after that Hawk ended up passing for real and Animal came on TV so I was somewhat suprised.

Anyone else going to the Survivor Series on the 27th at the Joe?

- Bloodied

[Reaper]

Yeah me and my buddies are going to watch it on PPV. By the time we tried to get tickets they only had upper bowl seats left. We want to save money and buy tickets first thing for the next Detroit event. For now we just get the PPVs

[LIL_Tinkerbella]

Just messing around with ya.

I did at one time heard a rumor about Animal passing away so for some time I also thought the same. Then not long after that Hawk ended up passing for real and Animal came on TV so I was somewhat suprised.

Anyone else going to the Survivor Series on the 27th at the Joe?

- Bloodied

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Me and dirtywhispers

[Wounds Within]

Yeah me and my buddies are going to watch it on PPV.  By the time we tried to get tickets they only had upper bowl seats left.  We want to save money and buy tickets first thing for the next Detroit event.  For now we just get the PPVs

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They are saying WrestleMania 23 (that be the 2007 installment for those not keeping score) will be either at The SilverDome or Ford Field. The Detroit News or Free Press (can't recall which one) ran an article a few months back. I found out for myself threw another source that the WWE is indeed looking to have a WrestleMania back in the Detroit area, but we have to wait to see which one. Until then Raw and Smackdown come to town pretty often and then there do house shows in between.

- Bloodied

[Wounds Within]

Me and dirtywhispers

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Perhaps I will bump into you both.

- Blooded

[Blackmail]

Well it appears I am not the only one to question whether steroids played a role....and Someone claimed since Congress investigated the industry that steroids were pretty much gone, however that is simply not true. Someone also claimed that his death was related to past drug use but that isn't known yet by the medical examiners so I have no idea how he knows but the medical examiner doesn't

according to this: http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5724133.html

Anyway to dismiss the steroid possibility seems a bit ludicrous.

more to read:

http://www.nypost.com/sports/57926.htm

"-It's hard to keep a body count on pro wrestlers, under the age of 40, who have died sudden, steroid-aided deaths in the last 20-25 years. Vince McMahon does not contract the Elias Sports Bureau to keep track. But that industry-wide number must be closing in on 100."

But as pro wrestlers drop dead - four, five, six a year - they hardly make a sound."

Last week McMahon exploited Guerrero's death to make ratings hay with his NBC-TV partners, first on McMahon's hideously desensitizing USA Network show (USA is now owned by NBC) and then through a speak-no-evil memorial on MSNBC.

It works like this: The wrestlers know that their bosses want over-the-top muscle. They know that there's an implied, industry-wide directive to be on or to get on the juice. They know that they have to be on the road many weeks at a time, without any medical coverage or sick days. Miss a show due to illness or injury and you miss a payday. Often, one or two misses and you're fired. So the cycle begins. Steroids to get and keep the job, barbiturates to kill the pain and get some sleep, stimulants to get through the next gig. That's why pro wrestlers are found dead in their hotel rooms."

http://nwanews.com/story.php?paper=nwat&se...s&storyid=34611

"I don’t know that steroids and growth hormones caused Guerrero’s heart to enlarge and ultimately fail him. But looking at his short, lean, overly muscular body could lead one to believe that is the case. "

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/h...t.asp?aID=14751

In a March 2004 report, USA Today said that since 1997, at least 65 wrestlers died in that time, 25 from heart attacks or other coronary problems. Many had enlarged hearts. In five of the 25 deaths, medical examiners found that steroids might have played a role. Excessive steroid use can lead to an enlarged heart. In 12 others, coroners cited evidence of use of painkillers, cocaine and other drugs.

Steroids played a role in the deaths of several pro wrestlers since 1997, USA Today reported, citing medical examiners, family members and the wrestlers themselves. Among them:

Curt Hennig, 44, died of acute cocaine intoxication in 2003. His father said a lethal combination of steroids and painkillers contributed to his death.

(The British Bulldog) Davey Boy Smith, 39,died in 2002 of an enlarged heart with evidence of microscopic scar tissue, possibly from steroid abuse, a coroner said.

Louie (Spicolli) Mucciolo, 27, died from coronary disease in 1998. Investigators found an empty vial of the male hormone testosterone, pain pills and an anxiety-reducing drug.

Richard (Ravishing Rick Rude) Rood, 40, died from an overdose of “mixed medications” in 1999.

(Flyin’) Brian Pillman, 35, was taking painkillers and human-growth hormone when he died from heart disease in 1997, his widow said.

[Draco1958]

Well it appears I am not the only one to question whether steroids played a role....and Someone claimed since Congress investigated the industry that steroids were pretty much gone, however that is simply not true.  Someone also claimed that his death was related to past drug use but that isn't known yet by the medical examiners so I have no idea how he knows but the medical examiner doesn't

according to this: http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5724133.html

Anyway to dismiss the steroid possibility seems a bit ludicrous.

more to read:

http://www.nypost.com/sports/57926.htm

"-It's hard to keep a body count on pro wrestlers, under the age of 40, who have died sudden, steroid-aided deaths in the last 20-25 years. Vince McMahon does not contract the Elias Sports Bureau to keep track. But that industry-wide number must be closing in on 100."

But as pro wrestlers drop dead - four, five, six a year - they hardly make a sound."

Last week McMahon exploited Guerrero's death to make ratings hay with his NBC-TV partners, first on McMahon's hideously desensitizing USA Network show (USA is now owned by NBC) and then through a speak-no-evil memorial on MSNBC.

It works like this: The wrestlers know that their bosses want over-the-top muscle. They know that there's an implied, industry-wide directive to be on or to get on the juice. They know that they have to be on the road many weeks at a time, without any medical coverage or sick days. Miss a show due to illness or injury and you miss a payday. Often, one or two misses and you're fired. So the cycle begins. Steroids to get and keep the job, barbiturates to kill the pain and get some sleep, stimulants to get through the next gig. That's why pro wrestlers are found dead in their hotel rooms."

http://nwanews.com/story.php?paper=nwat&se...s&storyid=34611

"I don’t know that steroids and growth hormones caused Guerrero’s heart to enlarge and ultimately fail him. But looking at his short, lean, overly muscular body could lead one to believe that is the case. "

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/h...t.asp?aID=14751

In a March 2004 report, USA Today said that since 1997, at least 65 wrestlers died in that time, 25 from heart attacks or other coronary problems. Many had enlarged hearts. In five of the 25 deaths, medical examiners found that steroids might have played a role. Excessive steroid use can lead to an enlarged heart. In 12 others, coroners cited evidence of use of painkillers, cocaine and other drugs.

Steroids played a role in the deaths of several pro wrestlers since 1997, USA Today reported, citing medical examiners, family members and the wrestlers themselves. Among them:

Curt Hennig, 44, died of acute cocaine intoxication in 2003. His father said a lethal combination of steroids and painkillers contributed to his death.

(The British Bulldog) Davey Boy Smith, 39,died in 2002 of an enlarged heart with evidence of microscopic scar tissue, possibly from steroid abuse, a coroner said.

Louie (Spicolli) Mucciolo, 27, died from coronary disease in 1998. Investigators found an empty vial of the male hormone testosterone, pain pills and an anxiety-reducing drug.

Richard (Ravishing Rick Rude) Rood, 40, died from an overdose of “mixed medications” in 1999.

(Flyin’) Brian Pillman, 35, was taking painkillers and human-growth hormone when he died from heart disease in 1997, his widow said.

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Steriod use: I stated that since the Senate hearings it was being strictly watched not that is was pretty much gone "Could he still have been using steriods?? Yes that is always a possibility however we must remember the Big Senate hearings over it when Hulk Hogan appeared and testified to his using them in the past. Since then there has been a strict watching of that in pro wrestling." Overall useage is down but I am sure there will always be a few still using.

How I know something the examiner doesn't....

A quote from Eddie's wife: "“It was heart failure. It was from his past – the drinking and the drug abuse. They found signs of heart disease. She (the examiner) said that the blood vessels were very worn and narrow, and that just showed all the abuse from the scheduling of work and his past. And Eddie just worked out like crazy all the time. It made his heart grow bigger and work harder and the vessels were getting smaller, and that’s what caused the heart failure. He went into a deep sleep.

Notice it says "she(the examiner)said that the blood vessels were very worn and narrow and that just showed all the abuse from the scheduling and his past. So apparently the examiner knows something to tell his wife. Eddie came forward and admitted his past drug use. That's part of the reason he left the WWE and he and his wife split up.

I noticed you posted links to news articles and possible quotes from them. I noticed some of them say possible steriod use not definitive use. Anything is possible and I'm not saying steriods couldn't be involved. All I am saying is that I don't believe current steriod use was involved and that I do believe he straightened up, cleaned up, found God and was trying to live a better life.

If I misquoted you I apologize, it's just that I hate being misquoted myself. I'm not gonna nitpick but if you are going to question my commentrs on his cause of death, you may want to use an article newer than a week old since that article came out prior to his wife's statement of what the ME told her and she relayed to the fans. Plus the article says he was found on the floor yet Chavo stated he found him in bed. I have a feeling many articles with many theories and differing facts will be found. I just hope that in the end, the real story comes out. 2 articles read, 2 different places he was found in his room. Makes me wonder how much one can trust the info in them. Just my opinion.

[Draco1958]

Don't question Draco1958, he knows his wrestling.

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Ye and so do I. So I made a mistake. shoot me.

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I am not that knowledgeable about wrestling. Only reason I knew this info was that I had watched Animal and Heidenreich wrestle a couple nights before. And that I had met them, Hawk and Animal, in person. And I am akways willing to learn more from people who know.

[Darque Knight]

It looks like WWE is taking precautions now...

VINCE MCMAHON ANNOUNCES NEW DRUG POLICY

November 21, 2005

In a joint meeting today with the RAW and SmackDown rosters in the United Kingdom, in Sheffield, Vince McMahon announced that within the next several weeks, a new drug testing policy will be implemented in which performance enhancing drugs, such as steroids, etc., recreational drugs, as well as abuse of prescription drugs will be banned.

In addition to the new drug testing procedure, there will also be an emphasis on cardiovascular examinations.

The specifics of the drug policy will be announced over the next several weeks. More details to follow. Check with WWE.com for the latest information.

[Blackmail]

Draco, thanks for your reply and sorry if I misqouted you as well.

I just think given all the information that I am not trying to harm Eddie's reputation on DGN as has been suggested but rather drawing attention to a growing trend among wrsetlers - heart problems at an early age, which is consistent with steroid use. I also never said it was definite that Eddie used steroids, I just said I was speculating. If steroid use did not contribute to his death then I apologize for making the speculative allegation, but based on what we know now, I am still skepticle.