Whips and shit

[n0Mad]

Since there is such a lively discussion about whips over here, I figured I'd start a new thread solely for the discussion of whips.

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Whip is a fairly broad term which covers what people call single tail, and floggers. If you don't know what a flogger is, then you're on the wrong boards. The most popular flogger is a cat-o-nine tails.

As far as single tail, there are:

~Bullwhips - The type of whip used in the Indiana Jones, and Zorro movies. A handle, thong, fall, and cracker all braided together as one linear item. Common length is 6-12 feet though they can get as short as 4 or as long as 14 and even longer!

~Stock Whips - Popular in Australia, the handle is longer than a bullwhip and the thong is attached with a leather hinge at a 90 degree angle to the handle. These range from 5-10 feet, though can be shorter or longer.

~Snake Whips - Similar to a bullwhip except there is no internal handle. Instead the entire whip is flexible and can be coiled up and put into a saddle bag or cargo pocket. Usual length is 3-5 feet. Usually shot loaded to aid in cracking.

~Signal Whips - A snake whip that's really fricken short and generally doesn't have a fall. Instead the cracker is tied directly onto the thong. Almost always shot loaded. Length is about 3-4 feet.

~Quirt - A signal whip with two falls and no crackers.

~Coachman's whip - A really fricken long and thin handle (3-8 feet or so) tapering towards the tip with a fall tied onto that and finally a cracker. The type of whip you'd see a stagecoach driver using in old Western movies.

~Crop - Not technically a whip but it sort of is. If you don't know what a riding crop is, then you need to get out more.

More basic info on whips can be found here with plenty of pictures elsewhere on this site.

(FYI - My beautiful roo-hide whip from the Chicago picture in the other thread is this one. Six feet long, 12 plait {the number of strands braided together to make the body}, brown.)

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And now moving on to why whips are so dangerous (especially the 5 and 6 foot bulls that I use). Taken from a variety show that I wrote and FarrIL assisted me with last Spring (edited slightly for DGN) ...

"As an object moves through the air it creates a series of pressure waves in front and behind it, similar to the bow and stern waves created by a boat. These waves travel at the speed of sound, and as the speed of the object increases, the waves are forced together because they cannot 'get out of the way' of each other, eventually merging into a single shock wave at the speed of sound. This critical speed is known as Mach 1 and is approximately 742 miles per hour at sea level.

"The first law of thermodynamics is that of conservation of energy. Simply, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed. With the discovery of special relativity by Albert Einstein, mass and energy were shown to be interchangeable by the famous equation E=mc^2. If you notice the whip's construction, a little bit of effort put forth on the thicker handle end travels down the length of the whip. As it tapers, mass is reduced thus energy is increased making it go faster and faster until it breaks the sound barrier creating the sonic boom that I mentioned earlier. Thus, when the whip cracks, it is traveling anywhere from 750-900 miles per hour.

"To illustrate, 45 caliber ACP automatic handgun ammunition only travels about 477 miles per hour and a 9mm ACP bullet is about the same. A .44 Special is a little bit faster clocking in around 545 miles per hour while a .38 Special is faster still at 614 miles per hour. Still, none of them are supersonic. The standard 9mm parabellum does break the sound barrier at 818 miles per hour, but a whip can still be faster than even that. The only thing that beats out my roo-hide whip is a .357 Magnum or a .44 Magnum which both clock in only slightly faster at 955 miles per hour.

"Point being, at speeds this fast if the whip comes into contact with a human body at the point of crack, it can bruise the skin and raise welts at best, and at worst cause severe lacerations, shatter bones, take out an eye, and all sorts of other nasty stuff. So keep that in mind as you picture me cutting cigarettes out of FarrIL's mouth! The whip races by at up to 900 miles per hour passing only mere inches from her face!"

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Now I hope people will understand why I go ape shit when I see people cracking a whip incorrectly, and sadly over 90% of the people out there do crack incorrectly. But that's another rant for later.

[Rayne]

Why do I want to go buy a whip now?

....But not without consulting Spook first....

[n0Mad]

Why do I want to go buy a whip now?

Because whips are the shit and everybody needs at least one ... of each.

....But not without consulting Spook first....

*bows* Thank you.

[Brenda Starrr]

That's a lot of knowledge I didn't even realize existed!

Thanks Spook!

[Daevion]

whips can be fun.....of course they can be dangerous too

I prefer to use the cat'onines over bullwhips

right now I have two cat'onines, a crop, and coachman's in my arsenal

[Homicidalheathen]

I like my soft leather whip. It has wide long straps like 10 of them and it doesn't hurt so much heh.

I prefer stings and bloodletting these days. Cuts...needles.....

I might get a brand of the wiccan fire symbol if anyone knows someone who does this.

[Fierce Critter]

If you don't know what a flogger is, then you're on the wrong boards.

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Not a criticism, but an observation...

I've never understood why it's so natural to assume that if a person is goth or associated with things goth, they must be into B&D, S&M, pain-play, etc.

[n0Mad]

Not a criticism, but an observation...

I've never understood why it's so natural to assume that if a person is goth or associated with things goth, they must be into B&D, S&M, pain-play, etc.

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Another observation of my own ... even if you're not into it yourself, you can't help but be exposed to it at somepoint, especially the more social you are. Goths by nature are deviant (not by our definition, but it just tends to work that way). BDSM is deviant sex. In any deviant culture there is always some bit of overlap. Tattoos, piercings, hair dye and hair falls, makeup, flogging, bondage, foot worship ... if you're into one of these things, more than likely you're into another or have at least been exposed to it. Follow the chain long enough and everything will come full circle.

As an example, if somebody's a magician it doesn't mean they can juggle, but more than likely they know somebody who can and have at least seen it before. Likewise, the magician may not know hypnosis, or even know a hypnotist, but more than likely he knows another magician who knows a hypnotist and so on. (I use this as an example because I happen to be all three, and more.)

Likewise, just because you like dancing at City Club doesn't mean you're into flogging. But, there are plenty of people there who are and some of them even bring floggers with them so you can't help but be exposed to it.

My suspicion is anyone who's hardcore enough to join DGN has been around enough to know a thing or two about a thing or two so I stand by my statement: If you don't know what a flogger is, then you're on the wrong boards.

[Mikielikesit]

yes yes yes yes yes yes

[n0Mad]

I'm a definite geek. I'm staring at that gif trying to figure out the details of the whip's construction but it's flashing by too fast for me to see. Of course, I could save the image and deconstruct it in a graphics program, but I'm graphically inept and don't have the time or energy at the moment. Plus, the pic is so small I doubt I'll be able to gleen much info anyway. It's definitely a bullwhip with a longer handle than must so it'd be great for targeting. It only looks to be around 5' long though. I think it's Aussie style but I'm having trouble seeing the keeper. I think it's the bump just to the right of where the thong crosses over the fall. Yeah, I'm a geek.

[n0Mad]

Time to rehash an old thread with pictures of my pretties. These were custom made for me last summer by Paul Nolan, the guy who made the whips for the movies The Rundown and the upcoming Prince of Persia.

They're a matched pair of 5 foot long 12-plait kangaroo hide bullwhips. The main color is brandy but there are two strands of black subtly accenting the patterns which is a checker board on the handle and a double herring bone on the thong. The Turk's Head and Ring knots are both solid black. I requested black falls but he didn't have any in stock and I didn't want to wait for him to get any or dye some natural ones.

[TheGimp]

ooooooo very beautiful

[TitsMcGee]

I'm still pretty sure that I'd try to crack that thing and it'd come back and hit me right in the face.

[TheGimp]

I'm still pretty sure that I'd try to crack that thing and it'd come back and hit me right in the face.

lol awe...

[n0Mad]

I'm still pretty sure that I'd try to crack that thing and it'd come back and hit me right in the face.

Not if you do it right. But as I stated in the original post, "over 90% of the people out there do crack incorrectly".

[taysteewonderbunny]

Is too sexy and entirely impractical. I want to waste years of my life and all of my money on learning this!

[TheGimp]

id realy love to learn this to...with the proper training of course *cough* spook *COUGH* mabey yes perhpas no..

[Joey Deadcat]

<span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>Not a criticism, but an observation...

I've never understood why it's so natural to assume that if a person is goth or associated with things goth, they must be into B&D, S&M, pain-play, etc.

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[Brenda Starrr]

Not if you do it right. But as I stated in the original post, "over 90% of the people out there do crack incorrectly".

I think I had better behave on this one....

[TheGimp]

I think I had better behave on this one....

i have never done the crack inncor....i mean....*scratchs neck and arms* *looks around room* *runs*

[Jessika Fxckin rocks (1)]

i have a whip never ge to use it cause it always being used on my sooo unfair

i bought the thing thinkimg i'd get to use it sometime