Gay marriage

[BlackHound]

How do you feel on gay marriage? I'm for it.

[Brenda Starrr]

For it.

[Lilith]

For it and i would support any friend, family or foe who looked to me for support.

I just think it is not up to me to choose this for other people, if it makes them happy and they are not in danger then i would not see any reason not to support there choice to do so. Hell this would go for a Straight marriage as well, i could only hope those i cared about found one person no matter gender to love and be loved by for the rest of there life.

[ManicQueen]

For it, of course.

[phee]

Who ever wants to get married.... should get married....

[Steven]

I'm against it.

with a footnote added:

I'm also against young marriage (early 20's), or career marriage (3rd or 4th timers) or fake marriage (I said I do but I really dont and hey hot stuff...wanna??)

Marriage in and of itself has become by and large a failed system.

But I dont blame the marriage arrangement itself.

I blame the participants.

Let's say you have some career aspirations.

You want success, you want "X" amount of money, to be able to own a home, cars, etc, live a good life. nothing wrong with that. We all want that.

So you PLAN for this.

You educate yourself. You study working models and determine what went right, and what went wrong. You prepare yourself with extra responsibility, and in time embrace it in degrees, which in turn creates in you the skillsets to adapt and grow. You begin to sudy "business" as it applies to you, and see how certain models failed, and how others succeeeded, therefore pointing ourselves in a direction that ensures success. In so doing you allow yourself to be mentored. As you pursue promotions and such, specific training is usually involved. You become better at what you do, better than how you did it five years ago, wiser, with experience and with foresight. And that foresight continues to push you toward greater responsibility, toward greater efforts for learning, and toward a successful model based on constant evolution as opposed to stagnation. You are good at what you do - because you recognized the need to dig the neccessary ditches along the way. In time you even train others. You have much responsibility. Your decisions effect budgets, deadlines, growth, moral, vibrancy, and solidity. You are a critical part of the wheel.

Sound reasonable?

Why is it then, that we do not take the same approach to marriage?

Do we study marriage - not only those that fail, but those that succeed?

Do we embrace the ideal of "covenent" - what it means and what its intended purpose was, and therefore how it works?

Do we allows ourselves to be taught? Or mentored? Do we apply ourselves to growth? Do we place ourselves in teaching mediums? Do we take on greater responsibility/leadership, because our decisions effect budgets, deadlines, growth, moral, vibrancy, and solidity?

this is our fucking life people.

and most people I know, simply do not invest into their life, much less their marriage, and therefore their foundation is weak, suseptible to temptation and breakdown, stagnant, unfullfilling. Faithless.

And we wonder why. And we blame marriage. Or each other. ANd use cheap ass words like "incompatible". Cop out words. Not my fault words.

Growing up in California, Laura and I had many Gay friends who we were quite intimate with. Both gay men and lesbian women. We used go camping togethor, party togethor, have Xmas togethor, give gifts, tell jokes, cut farts, barbecue, the regular stuff all people do.

We've also gone to pray with these friend's in the hospital, because their lovers were dying of aids, something horrible to see up close.

And we've gone to sit and be with friends who are heartsick and soulsick, because their lover was with another, and another and another, although they themselves are guilty of the same thing, because in general the gay lifestyle (both sides) is an extremely promiscuous and lonely one. Its also fraught with heavy alcoholism and drug addiction, because of that soul sickness and loneliness. I watched this in many people foir many years.

And yes there are exceptions - those who seem to stick togethor for life. But they are very rare. And usually, like many straight marriages, they are very disfunctional. And those that had children, had major problems. Never once have I seen that work long term. I have definately seen some wounded children though.

Remember when people magazine had proudly displayed on their cover, Mellissa ethridge, her lover Julie Cypher, and their babies and their borrowed sperm biological father David Crosby? The new family. all you need is love, fuck the rules, thats old school bigotry. A couple years later, they are divorced. Family is split - AND complicated. ANd you never saw that breakup on the cover of People magazine. Seems to me that would have been a balanced approach.

Maybe I'm a bigot. I'm sure some people think I am. I dont think I am, and neither do my gay friends, who know my beleifs and love me anyway, as I do with them. But I dont beleive in what I have seen to be a failed life approach. And I say that sadly.

Steven

[phee]

Where does sexual preference come into this?

[Steven]

Where does sexual preference come into this?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

wherever you want dude.

I know gay people who say its bilogical and therefore normal.

I can dig that. Beleive it or not.

I also know gay people who stopped living the gay lifestyle, went backwards through their lives and started working on relational issues in general, and became heterosexual. I know - y'all think its fake. But they told me its not - that the behaviour is learned, and unlearned, as is heterosexual behaviour. As is MANY types of behaviour. I can dig that too.

Their words by the way, not mine.

May I add - that my own sexual preferance lies in humping every red haired or raven haired beauty that walks my way. I love women. I love the way they look, move, smell, talk, think, feel, taste, and I love getting naked with them. That is my daily preferance.

My Behaviour however - is one of choice. I only express that desire, with my wife. Even though I'm "naturally" attracted to many women. It is natural. It is biological. For me - its appropriate expression - is at home (or in the woods, the car, wherever) with only my wife. As much as my dick talks to me (loudly at times) I cannot go around living a lifestyle based on the desires of my dick.

[phee]

So why shouldn't gay people get married?

[CandyQuackenbush]

I believe that everyone has the right to happiness. No matter if they are gay, strait, bi, or interracial.

Once you find love, don't let it go.

Just remember, "Never settle, always win"

[phee]

I believe that everyone has the right to happiness. No matter if they are gay, strait, bi, or interracial.

Once you find love, don't let it go.

Just remember, "Never settle, always win"

Precisely

[pharoh]

I am for anyone getting married, but to many ppl do it now adays and give the original meaning a bad name. With people now adays i think they should educate themselves alittle more before getting married. I think any who wants to get married should should be required to get some classes on it or some kind of knowledge on the matter before jumping in.....no matter the religion....I say leave that part out of it. And yes I know that textbooks and shit are not gonna prepare you for the real thing, but at least some knowledge and more thought would come out of it instead of just focusing all the bs on the actual wedding.

Just my 2 cents

[Rayne]

I believe that everyone has the right to happiness. No matter if they are gay, strait, bi, or interracial.

Once you find love, don't let it go.

Just remember, "Never settle, always win"

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I agree with Candy 100%.

... I'm for it ... in case you couldn't figure that one out.

[OtterGoth]

Aggg. SIGN OUT JON!!!!! :blink

[Fierce Critter]

For.

And for once, I'm going to keep it just that short. :grin

[Brenda Starrr]

:blink

[phee]

huh?

[Blackmail]

what is wrong with a civil union with full benefits?

if a man and a dog are happily in love, why not let them get married?

why do we have to change the institution of marriage as it has been defined for centuries?

marriage and religion have been linked since the dawn of mankind, even before 'property rights', most religions are opposed to gay marriage.

so then again, why not civil unions?

[phee]

what is wrong with a civil union with full benefits? 

if a man and a dog are happily in love, why not let them get married?

why do we have to change the institution of marriage as it has been defined for centuries?

marriage and religion have been linked since the dawn of mankind, even before 'property rights', most religions are opposed to gay marriage. 

so then again, why not civil unions?

Good points

[torn asunder]

my opinion...

as far as the government is concerned, they should have nothing to do with "marriage". all commitments of this nature should be deigned "civil unions" when recorded by govt. entities. if a couple was to be "married", they can do so in a religious ceremony in whatever manner fits their beliefs. i don't honestly think the govt. should be involved in any way with "marriage"...

:fear

[phee]

my opinion...

as far as the government is concerned, they should have nothing to do with "marriage". all commitments of this nature should be deigned "civil unions" when recorded by govt. entities. if a couple was to be "married", they can do so in a religious ceremony in whatever manner fits their beliefs. i don't honestly think the govt. should be involved in any way with "marriage"...

:fear

Makes sense

[Homicidalheathen]

Pro fo sho'

[phee]

I think gay people should be allowed to marry each other.... but not straight people, because if I married a gay woman... I would masturbate too much and die

[creatureofthenyte]

I'm for it as well. I'm heterosexual/strait, I love women and am only attracted to, women. However, I am a believer that everyone has the rite to be happy in life. Everyone should have their own choice of how they attain this happiness. If you don't like or agree with what someone has chosen to do, that's fine. But don't put them down or make them feel bad for it; it's Their choice for Them, not yours for you.

[Steven]

I believe that everyone has the right to happiness. No matter if they are gay, strait, bi, or interracial.

Once you find love, don't let it go.

Just remember, "Never settle, always win"

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

...is love all it takes then?

...is love the mssing ingredient in so many failed marraiges? They were never really in love???