Gay marriage

[Steven]

I am for anyone getting married, but to many ppl do it now adays and give the original meaning a bad name.  With people now adays i think they should educate themselves alittle more before getting married.  I think any who wants to get married should should be required to get some classes on it or some kind of knowledge on the matter before jumping in.....no matter the religion....I say leave that part out of it.  And yes I know that textbooks and shit are not gonna prepare you for the real thing, but at least some knowledge and more thought would come out of it instead of just focusing all the bs on the actual wedding.

Just my 2 cents

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this is what I'm referring to.

and I'm against gay marriage, primarily because I dont beleive the gay lifestyle is set up to fortify and sustain a marital covenant.

[Steven]

my opinion...

as far as the government is concerned, they should have nothing to do with "marriage". all commitments of this nature should be deigned "civil unions" when recorded by govt. entities. if a couple was to be "married", they can do so in a religious ceremony in whatever manner fits their beliefs. i don't honestly think the govt. should be involved in any way with "marriage"...

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and yet marriage is a legal definition, one that has been used for centuries.

we seem to think that by re-defining ourselves we have elevated ourselves into something that works.

yet the evidence strongly opposes that point of view.

[Steven]

remember too that i also said i was against marriage between people who are too young and have yet to develop any lifeskills,

and against thsoe who dont take it seriously and fuck around

and against those who simply marry over and over and over again (my mother is a 4 time champion) without ever investing themselves into becoming healthy stable people that can actually nurture a relationship.

there is much idealism in here.

and a few of us have good marriages. but I'd gamble that "few' is the operative word.....

[CandyQuackenbush]

...is love all it takes then?

...is love the mssing ingredient in so many failed marraiges?  They were never really in love???

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Who cares if a marrage fails or not? So somepeople rush, somepeople don't care about the other, and somepeople actually find that someone that makes their life fulfilled.

[Hellion]

:devil Even though I am Heterosexual and love dancing with the ladies,everyone is entitled to do what they want to do if it makes them happy thats good. It's my choice what I want to do,and it's their choice what they want to do.

[bean]

For it. That's all I'm going to say because I need to go take some blood pressure medication now.

[LadyWindstone]

I'm for it. Gay and Lesbian couples have about as much luck with dating and marriage as straight people. I've seen straight couples get married several times cause others didn't work out. I've seen couples break up before marriage because things didn't work out. I've seen couples stay together even when they don't like each other. I've seen couples stay together because they have something together. Gay, Lesbian, straight or Bi or anything should have the same rights. It shouldn't matter who they love. It shouldn't matter who they want in their beds. The Government should stay out of our bedrooms and keep their noses to themselves. ok I'm done ranting.

[Steven]

Who cares if a marrage fails or not?

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you ust exemplified my point.

who cares?

I care. and because I care I work extremely hard to preserve and nurture what i have. I know I'm an old dinasuar but I care about marriage, and the family unit, and what we teach each generation of children about life directly by how we handle ourselves from within it.

I'm not trying to opress others.

I'm simply trying to make the point that before we expand on what we've wasted for years, let's stop and take stock in what we have, and start looking ahead in the legacy we are creating.

[Rayne]

with a footnote added: 

I'm also against young marriage (early 20's), or career marriage (3rd or 4th timers) or fake marriage (I said I do but I really dont and hey hot stuff...wanna??)

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:blink Wait ... so because I've had two failed marriages (married at 18 and 21), you'd think it'd be wrong if I were to get married again?

[Homicidalheathen]

I wonder about Elton though. This guy he married is so young and cute, I would date him. Common, you don't think he is just out for the money?

Let them get married and suffer along with the rest of us. Divorce, law suits....custody battles.......loosing your house.

Watch what you wish for.

[Blackmail]

:blink Wait ... so because I've had two failed marriages (married at 18 and 21), you'd think it'd be wrong if I were to get married again?

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no but perhaps it was wrong that you got married the first two times.

I'm of the opinion that marriage is a sacred institution and the fact that so many people take marriage as a joke (i.e. most celebrities) does have societal ramifications.

Look at the fall of the ottomans, the romans, the greeks.......the decline of many empires coincided with the corrosion of morals.

I support civil unions for homosexuals and I think gay people should have every benefit due to them but not marriage (marriage is not a "right" btw), it's merely semantics but it's also an important distinction. I've heard several psychologists say it isn't healthy for a child to be raised by gay parents - are those psychologists bigots? Gay people can't impregnate eachother, does that make mother nature homophobic?

The institution of marriage and the traditional family structure has survived centuries, only recently have we as a society challenged this and the results have been damaging to the world in general in my opinion.

[Rayne]

no but perhaps it was wrong that you got married the first two times.

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I won't argue with that. They say hindsight is 20/20 and looking back, I can now see that.

[Blackmail]

I won't argue with that. They say hindsight is 20/20 and looking back, I can now see that.

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I wasn't really trying to single you out or anything so I hope there's no hard feelings. I just do feel that people rush into marriage and there are social ramifications.

[Rayne]

I wasn't really trying to single you out or anything so I hope there's no hard feelings.  I just do feel that people rush into marriage and there are social ramifications.

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Nope, not at all.

[The_Dark]

OK, I'll open this can of worms...

I am both for and against it. Let me clarify a few things before I explain that.

First off, The Church has only had thier meddling fingers in marrige for about 400 years, Government for only about 150 and finally.. in the hands of the uber-political for about 4 years.. It has not always been a religious or political event. It was a social event. An oath between a man and a woman, witnessed by the people with whom they lived on a dialy basis. That oath was to Love and support each other through ALL of life's trials. To start, raise and guide a family till the end of thier days. Marrige has existed for a very long time in that fashion.

With that in mind. I am against Gay Marrige. Marrige, to me, is still that oath between a Man and a Woman.

On the other Hand... I am for Civil Unions. I'm sorry, but I don't see very many gay people using Love and commitment when aurgueing for Gay marrige. Not to say that they dont have real love for each other. It's just not what they say when they argue for it. I hear things about adoption, Health Insurance and half a dozen other benefits or legal matters that really, have nothing at all to do with that Oath I spoke of.

[Msterbeau]

Let's open this can of worms too: Failed marraiges seem mostly to be the result of people with psychological problems getting together, thinking that the relationship will either cure the problem... or they use that as a mask for what's really going on. This can happen in any kind of relationship. It happened with mine and from the work I did afterward it's not difficult to see the issues in other peoples divorces.

I agree somewhat with what T/A and Blackmail discuss. Relationships/Marraiges/Civil Unions should be largely hands off by government. I know two gay couples who are very monogamous and commited. One has an adopted child. I think the notion that they can't have this sort of relationship is completely bunk...

[Homicidalheathen]

And this is why I like you. Seeing that a person can successfully commit to a partner and treat them with respect reguardless of sexual preference. Possibly even do better than a 'str8' couple. And raise children well, who are balenced and productive and happy.

Let's open this can of worms too:  Failed marraiges seem mostly to be the result of people with psychological problems getting together, thinking that the relationship will either cure the problem... or they use that as a mask for what's really going on.  This can happen in any kind of relationship.  It happened with mine and from the work I did afterward it's not difficult to see the issues in other peoples divorces. 

I agree somewhat with what T/A and Blackmail discuss.  Relationships/Marraiges/Civil Unions should be largely hands off by government.  I know two gay couples who are very monogamous and commited.  One has an adopted child.  I think the notion that they can't have this sort of relationship is completely bunk...

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[Msterbeau]

Something else to toss into this discussion. One of the reasons religious conservatives use to justify being against gay marraige is that they can't have children.

[The_Dark]

And it's a pretty good argument. Marrige was about having kids together, but in this day and age it's more about insurance coverage.

[Homicidalheathen]

What about orphans......? I don't see anything wrong with adoption, even if your gay as long as like any decent parent, you keep your sex life private.

[The_Dark]

Marrige is required to adopt?

I forgot the ? at the end.

[saechalyn]

For it, without reservation.

Yes there are people who take marriage too lightly, or get married for the wrong reasons, but how on earth is denying marriage to an entire group of people solving that?? No one is qualified to make blanket value judgements about “the gay lifestyle” or any lifestyle for that matter; I don’t care how much anecdotal evidence you have or how many articles you’ve read.

[Blackmail]

For it, without reservation. 

Yes there are people who take marriage too lightly, or get married for the wrong reasons, but how on earth is denying marriage to an entire group of people solving that??  No one is qualified to make blanket value judgements about “the gay lifestyle” or any lifestyle for that matter; I don’t care how much anecdotal evidence you have or how many articles you’ve read.

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I don't think anyone has. My argument was that we shouldn't change the definition of marriage to suit anyones needs that comes along (see my man loves dog point earlier). A civil union would give gay couples all the rights a straight couple would have. Leave marriage for the intented purposes of the institution.

[The_Dark]

Just an FYI.

In England.. they made Gay marrige legal... within 3 months of that.. a woman married a dolphin. How was this legal you might ask... the Dolphin was a lesbian.

As funny as that is... it's exactly why many people oppose gay marrige.

[saechalyn]

Just an FYI.

In England.. they made Gay marrige legal... within 3 months of that.. a woman married a dolphin. How was this legal you might ask... the Dolphin was a lesbian.

As funny as that is... it's exactly why many people oppose gay marrige.

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There is absolutely nothing "legal" about the supposed marriage of a woman and a dolphin. And while the woman was British, the so called "ceremony" took place in Israel. I do not see what this very strange incident has to do with gay marriage.