Equality

[Hellion]

:devil To get a job in this country,(my opinion) They should not have "what race are you",and age should not be a factor.

It should go by your experience not race or age,if you can do the job,and are a quick learner,then you should be entitled to get the job.

As long as you have good references,these two things should not be an issue for employment.

[Steven]

but then again - if you DO have the chops for the job, and you've represented yourself well, why worry? If your seen as a potential asset, you'll get the job.

[The_Dark]

You know the section on race is optional... you dont have to fill it out. They even say that...

As for age... we have child labor laws. They have a place for your age so they know it's not a 9 year old trying to get a job. Or if your a teen, what hours you can legally work and how many hours a week.

[Hellion]

You know the section on race is optional... you dont have to fill it out. They even say that...

As for age... we have child labor laws. They have a place for your age so they know it's not a 9 year old trying to get a job. Or if your a teen, what hours you can legally work and how many hours a week.

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:devil No it's mostly about people in thier 30's and 40's being denied employment.

[Steven]

:devil No it's mostly about people in thier 30's and 40's being denied employment.

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Dude.....I've been in my 30's for 9 years.

Soon I'll be in my 40's.

Never have I been age discriminated against.

Also bear in mind that hopefully by that age in your life - you've developed a degree of solidity and reliability to your charachter - you've got some skills - but your also of the "stuff" that people need to help businesses grow.

I see it as an advantage.

[Onyx]

Dude.....I've been in my 30's for 9 years.

Soon I'll be in my 40's.

Never have I been age discriminated against.

Also bear in mind that hopefully by that age in your life - you've developed a degree of solidity and reliability to your charachter - you've got some skills - but your also of the "stuff" that people need to help businesses grow.

I see it as an advantage.

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I'd have to agree there. The 30s and 40s are considered by most employers as the prime of life, aren't they? The most responsible, skilled and reliable employees should fit that age group.

If you were in your 60s or 70s I could see them perhaps doubting your abilities (as unfair as that may be) or maybe your late teens or early 20s worrying about reliability, but 30s and 40s should be an asset.

[Marblez]

A negative attitude will cause you to lose every job you apply for. I think I might be able to help you.

Crank, send me a copy of your resume - or a listing of your work history if you don't have one and contact me before your next job interview. PM me here, don't email me - I get so much spam crap, I'll never get it.

[Steven]

A negative attitude will cause you to lose every job you apply for.  I think I might be able to help you.

Crank, send me a copy of your resume - or a listing of your work history if you don't have one and contact me before your next job interview. PM me here, don't email me - I get so much spam crap, I'll never get it.

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do it dude!!!

a smart one she is (purdy too), I'd trust her judgement in a heartbeat.

[Shade Everdark]

do it dude!!!

a smart one she is (purdy too), I'd trust her judgement in a heartbeat.

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Hell, I'm thinking of taking her up on that offer.

[Draco1958]

Yeah, me too. I can use any advantage in representing myself and my skills to potential employers.

[Steven]

then you guys should shoot her your stuff. Sometimes we fall short in the actual presentation of who we are, and we fail to realize that we're not giving the interviewer what they truly need to make an educated assessment. Marblez is very articulate and has good foresight. I think she'd be a great help.

[phee]

Don't send it to me... I can't read

[honeymustard02]

Anytime Crank doesn't get a job it's because he's being discriminated against.

I'm wondering if he even knows the meaning of the word and is mistaking it for NOT QUALIFIED for the job.

Age is important because of labor laws and certain job requirements can not be filled by a teenager.

[TygerLili]

A negative attitude will cause you to lose every job you apply for. I think I might be able to help you.

This is very true. It's also very hard to land a job if the interviewer thinks you don't have much interest in or enthusiasm for what you would be doing. It's something that's hard to fake, and the main reason I had crappy retail jobs until I finally figured out what I really wanted to do.

I had very little relevant experience or training going into my current job (medical reception and billing). I got it because of enthusiasm and a well written cover letter.

[Hellion]

Anytime Crank doesn't get a job it's because he's being discriminated against.

I'm wondering if he even knows the meaning of the word and is mistaking it for NOT QUALIFIED for the job.

Age is important because of labor laws and certain job requirements can not be filled by a teenager.

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:devil If I did'nt know anything then I probably would have never had a job ever in my life,so enough with the stupid stuuf,and I have been around alot longer than you have.

[The_Dark]

She didn't say you were stupid. She said that you blame your not having a job on discrimination rather than on not being qualified for the jobs your applying for. Stupid and Not qualified are not the same thing.

What does how long you have been on the board have to do with anything? and for the record... honeymustard has been on the board longer than you. She was a member back when it was on ezboard.

[torn asunder]

my opinion only - employers (and other people, including friends, for that matter) pick up rather quickly on negativity. (what some would call a "bad attitude") i think you're pretty cool, crank, but honestly on this board, you come across as a bitter, angry man. nobody wants to be around, or employ, someone they fear won't get along with others, or might have an "attitude problem". from previous posts, we know that you have the experience, but maybe you should consider the attitude you bring into these interviews. (i assume you're making it to an interview - if not, then your skills probably just don't match up with what they're looking for, and these other factors would have nothing to do with that) any hint of negativity bitterness, etc., in an interview will pretty much eliminate you immediately, regardless of how perfect you might be for the job. do yourself a favor - look back over the interviews you've gone to and not gotten, and try to find something they all had in common that might have been detrimental. once you identify this, you can work at changing it for the better, and the next time you'll have a much better chance!

good luck, man!

[torn asunder]

two things to add - 1) crank, you mentioned the word "entitlement" in one post... *nobody* is entitled to anything other than a fair chance. 2) thedark, what i got from his "been around longer than you" comment was an age-related thing, not just on the board, but i may be wrong...

[Hellion]

my opinion only - employers (and other people, including friends, for that matter) pick up rather quickly on negativity. (what some would call a "bad attitude") i think you're pretty cool, crank, but honestly on this board, you come across as a bitter, angry man. nobody wants to be around, or employ, someone they fear won't get along with others, or might have an "attitude problem". from previous posts, we know that you have the experience, but maybe you should consider the attitude you bring into these interviews. (i assume you're making it to an interview - if not, then your skills probably just don't match up with what they're looking for, and these other factors would have nothing to do with that) any hint of negativity bitterness, etc., in an interview will pretty much eliminate you immediately, regardless of how perfect you might be for the job. do yourself a favor - look back over the interviews you've gone to and not gotten, and try to find something they all had in common that might have been detrimental. once you identify this, you can work at changing it for the better, and the next time you'll have a much better chance!

good luck, man! 

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I was talking about being around longer in the Detroit area,not the DGN board,other than that thanx for the advice Torn.I know Draco is in the same area as I am.

[Hellion]

two things to add - 1) crank, you mentioned the word "entitlement" in one post... *nobody* is entitled to anything other than a fair chance. 2) thedark, what i got from his "been around longer than you" comment was an age-related thing, not just on the board, but i may be wrong...

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:devil Usually when I go to interviews I also try not to get my hopes up,when I worked for Minowitz Mfg Inc. I was always in a very good mood,that place was awsomw to work at,just collecting Unemployment and not working is something that I am not used too,I have never been out of work this long before.

[Steven]

:devil Usually when I go to interviews I also try not to get my hopes up,when I worked for Minowitz Mfg Inc. I was always in a very good mood,that place was awsomw to work at,just collecting Unemployment and not working is something that I am not used too,I have never been out of work this long before.

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Dude - if you come in with low to no expecations then you give off that vibe, communicating that you dont really beleive you are a worthy investment. Remeber too that people make decisions primarily from an emotional base - including decisions made by potential employers. Think abou t that - the vibe you carry yourself with is very important. somebody needs to FEEL that you are a good (no - i mean great) investment on their part. Your interview energy has everything to do with your potential.

[Marblez]

:devil Usually when I go to interviews I also try not to get my hopes up.

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I absolutely agree with Steven on this one.

When applying for a job you should EXPECT to get that job. Anything less and they will take it that that you don't think you are good enough for them - and they will likely agree.

[Draco1958]

then you guys should shoot her your stuff.  Sometimes we fall short in the actual presentation of who we are, and we fail to realize that we're not giving the interviewer what they truly need to make an educated assessment.  Marblez is very articulate and has good foresight.  I think she'd be a great help.

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Sorry Steven but somehow the start of this paragraph just sounds sooo wrong even tho it's a tempting idea....LOL

I was talking about being around longer in the Detroit area,not the DGN board,other than that thanx for the advice Torn.I know Draco is in the same area as I am.

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Other than a 6 month job at Roush, been on the job market since summer 2003. I don't care what Murray Feldman of Fox2 news says, the Talent Freeway thru Michigan Works does not find jobs for everyone all the time. It took Roush almost a year to call me from the time I applied. Monster Jobs sucks, Yahoo Hot Jobs sucks. But I shall be triumphant in finding a job, hopefully before I go thru nicotine withdrawal and become a bear. Then I don't think I could even get a job at the zoo....LOL

[Steven]

this is a very tough place to get work. this is true.

nonetheless - I've had 4 jobs in MI over the past year and a half, and each time I left for greener ($$$) pastures till I hit my goal of 50K, which is technically repsectable but in reality does not afford one much.

I'm also starting my own business this month with my wife, the goal being indipendence so that I the economy and my employers potential issues do not directly afect me. Plus I'm 39......I just feel like if I'm going to do my own thing its now or never.

The point I was trying to make with the job thing is however - that every job I've ever gotten, I got myself. I never answered an ad or was contacted because of resume submittals. Instead I went thru the yellow pages calling companies and then researched companies online that seemed to have something in common with my skillsets. The I started various wars of attrition with company fax machines and voicemails. you'd be suprised how often you can set up an interview that way.

you've got to push yoruself out of the box to stand out of the crowd, regardless of the odds.

[Steven]

Sorry Steven but somehow the start of this paragraph just sounds sooo wrong even tho it's a tempting idea....LOL

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easy now johnny.....this is a classy lady we're talkin about here......