Supernatural Bi laws for believers in it

phee · April 10, 2006

So I was wondering about those of you who believe in spirits, ghosts, possesion, demons, angels, goblins, benevolent republicans, etc....

There have been in several films (Exorcism of Emily Rose) for example, several questions raized....

Firstly, when there are timed spiritual events (Such as in the movie mentioned above, the "evil things" would happen at the same hour of the night consistantly), does the spirit realm obey things like daylight savings? for example, lets say that you are haunted every night at exactly 3:30am and you live in New York.... you then move to Iowa... would the ghost then haunt you at 2:30am? or would they respect time zones and then adjust their schedule and haunt you local time?

Or lets say you live in Indiana, who has just now for the first time observing daylight savings... would the supernatural forces involved get the memo, realize that we have all springed forward and haunt you accordingly?

Let's say you are haunted on a specific day of the year... like the 6th of July or something.... What if it is the 6th of July and you are all good and haunted but you are on a boat that is in the Pacific that then crosses the international date line... would the ghosts have to begrudingly just stop right there because it just changed to July 7th, does the supernatural obey Greenwich Mean Time?

Thoughts?

n0Mad · April 10, 2006

I've started using a Julian calendar and all these ghosts who are used to the Gregorian seem to have trouble adapting. There's this one Aztec spirit though that uses his own calendar and he seems far more accurate than any other spirit I've met.

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phee · April 10, 2006

I've started using a Julian calendar and all these ghosts who are used to the Gregorian seem to have trouble adapting. There's this one Aztec spirit though that uses his own calendar and he seems far more accurate than any other spirit I've met.

Gotcha.... that's what I mean....

Like, let's say some religions diety is going to destroy the world at Midnight on a certain day... Which Timezone is God in? Or would he/she/it, kind of peal the earth like an orange in 24 hours...

phee · April 10, 2006

And what about Zombies Damnit!!!!????

FarrIL · April 10, 2006

These are good questions actually.

Honestly, I think the demons will just attack on their own whim, they just pick a time that is convenient for them (( since when did an evil spirit have any concern for the body it was in? )). The convenient time was just at the exact same time as before.

So, they might abide by Daylight Savings time, or time changes or day changes, they might not.

Same amount of hours to them isnt always the same amount of hours to us.

phee · April 10, 2006

These are good questions actually.

Honestly, I think the demons will just attack on their own whim, they just pick a time that is convenient for them (( since when did an evil spirit have any concern for the body it was in? )). The convenient time was just at the exact same time as before.

So, they might abide by Daylight Savings time, or time changes or day changes, they might not.

Same amount of hours to them isnt always the same amount of hours to us.

Of course they are good questions!!! I don't ask not good questions.... duh

Fierce Critter · April 10, 2006

Not that I necessarily believe in such things - open-minded but skeptical here.

But I would explain it away as these beings are attuned to the person's personal clock or habits/actions, and not the actual time of day. For instance, they strike when said "hauntee" usually goes to sleep, or eats dinner, etc.

Not by a clock, but according to a hauntee's habits/actions.

But that's just a total stream-of-consciousness theory. I really don't care one way or another.

Steven · April 11, 2006

So I was wondering about those of you who believe in spirits, ghosts, possesion, demons, angels, goblins, benevolent republicans, etc....
There have been in several films (Exorcism of Emily Rose) for example, several questions raized....

Firstly, when there are timed spiritual events (Such as in the movie mentioned above, the "evil things" would happen at the same hour of the night consistantly), does the spirit realm obey things like daylight savings? for example, lets say that you are haunted every night at exactly 3:30am and you live in New York.... you then move to Iowa... would the ghost then haunt you at 2:30am? or would they respect time zones and then adjust their schedule and haunt you local time?

Or lets say you live in Indiana, who has just now for the first time observing daylight savings... would the supernatural forces involved get the memo, realize that we have all springed forward and haunt you accordingly?

Let's say you are haunted on a specific day of the year... like the 6th of July or something.... What if it is the 6th of July and you are all good and haunted but you are on a boat that is in the Pacific that then crosses the international date line... would the ghosts have to begrudingly just stop right there because it just changed to July 7th, does the supernatural obey Greenwich Mean Time?

Thoughts?

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go back to the emily rose thread and you'll hear my thoughts.

I like you Phee.

But your bugging me today.

AstralCrux · April 11, 2006

I have a theory if you'd like to test it be my guest...

Based on the need for birth time in astrological charts (I ponder these questions of yours too much) I was thinking that time would be very relevant. And, yes, the time zones are followed. It is also important to know the exact location for this... so that a more exact time can be given to the location- for placing where the stars are/were. I'm going with the theory that supernatural concepts use astrological time. In that case our more primitive time system may be off by a few minutes based on location.

Just my two cents. But, go figure I'd be the one to turn to a ghost when I died and end up plotting a chart just to figure the best time to do something.

Oh, and usually when it seems like something is haunting at the same time every night doesn't mean its a ghost. At U of M we had a ghost hunter come in and give a talk. This couple kept getting woken up at like 3:30 every morning to sounds of sex. Turns out the couple living in the house before them would wake up for sex at 3:30 in the morning regularly and it left an "imprint" on the house.

So, if we find out the best time to possess Phee and test the theory?

Steven · April 11, 2006

time is for matter that is subject to decay. hence we measure "age" in relation to time. In order to do this we have to exist on a certain plane.

Demons/angels are not subject to decay, nor do they exist by source, on the same physical plane that we do.

they are not bound by time and in essence, have a scope of vision outside of our ouwn that allows them to see begining and end at the same time.

they simply drop in at will. wherever - is whenever - its simply a door they open.

n0Mad · April 11, 2006

AstralCrux - I was thinking something along those same lines.

Demons/angels are not subject to decay

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However ghosts might if they survive on the memories of the living. When all memory of the spirit fades, then so does the spirit. Assuming that theory holds credence.

kellygrrrrrl · April 11, 2006

Let's say you are haunted on a specific day of the year... like the 6th of July or something.... What if it is the 6th of July and you are all good and haunted but you are on a boat that is in the Pacific that then crosses the international date line... would the ghosts have to begrudingly just stop right there because it just changed to July 7th, does the supernatural obey Greenwich Mean Time?

Thoughts?

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My BIRTHDAY is July 6th Phee, don't be hexing me now! :doh

I guess I'll be straddeling (sp) right on a time zone so that it/they can't get me. :fear

No, really, I think that the whole TIME thing is a coincidence, and irrelivant.

I believe there is 5 demons for every person. They will haunt you when ever they want.

Steven · April 11, 2006

AstralCrux - I was thinking something along those same lines.
However ghosts might if they survive on the memories of the living. When all memory of the spirit fades, then so does the spirit. Assuming that theory holds credence.

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but you see i do not beleive in Ghosts.

I beleive in Demons and Angels.

ANd I beleive that Demons are the ultimate liars who are far more sophisticated than we are.

your ghosts...your familiars....these spirits of the dead.....are in my opinion, nothing more than demonic activity and impersonations of people.

phee · April 11, 2006

*Phee Hexes Kelly.... then bakes a cake*

sass_in_the_pants · April 12, 2006

Phee, these are not only good questions, but IMPORTANT questions, too.

I mean, if ghosts don't respect the laws of physics, why should they concern themselves with daylight savings time? (this, by the way, only further encourges me on my crusade to END daylight savings time, yes, you heard me right. I SO cannot figure how to change my car clock and I am SICK AND TIRED OF IT! But I digress...)

There are other questions, too, related to the Other Realm.

Like, why do these hauntings usually happen at night? I mean, if they are repeating things that they did during their lives, wouldn't most of that have happened during the daytime anyway? Why at night? Why not on a nice sunny Tuesday at 2 in the afternoon?

And why don't they haunt showers? I mean, I can say for sure that most men I know spend a great deal of time in the bathroom. I'm not really sure what they are doing. My guess is reading or playing Gameboy, yet they don't haunt the bathroom. And, shouldn't really old buildings by necessity have more ghosts than new ones? Wouldn't a place built in 1776 just get overcrowded with ghosts? And wouldn't they all just freak out when they see eachother?

Steven · April 12, 2006

Phee, these are not only good questions, but IMPORTANT questions, too.
I mean, if ghosts don't respect the laws of physics, why should they concern themselves with daylight savings time? (this, by the way, only further encourges me on my crusade to END daylight savings time, yes, you heard me right. I SO cannot figure how to change my car clock and I am SICK AND TIRED OF IT! But I digress...)

There are other questions, too, related to the Other Realm.

Like, why do these hauntings usually happen at night? I mean, if they are repeating things that they did during their lives, wouldn't most of that have happened during the daytime anyway? Why at night? Why not on a nice sunny Tuesday at 2 in the afternoon?

And why don't they haunt showers? I mean, I can say for sure that most men I know spend a great deal of time in the bathroom. I'm not really sure what they are doing. My guess is reading or playing Gameboy, yet they don't haunt the bathroom. And, shouldn't really old buildings by necessity have more ghosts than new ones? Wouldn't a place built in 1776 just get overcrowded with ghosts? And wouldn't they all just freak out when they see eachother?

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my humble opinion is......

Demons are fallen angels - who hate mankind for God's willingness to exalt imperfect man over the more powerful angelic creation.

Demons seek to destroy, devour, mislead, and seperate man from any form of intimacy with the creator, something they previously enjoyed and no longer have the privildege of. Lucifer is not yoru only fallen Angel, he simply is the most powerful. A third of God's soldiers fell from grace and are seperated in darkness.

There is also Azazel - the leader of another form of rebellion (and very probably a contendor for Lucifer's throne, as Demons war with one another for power) who was behind the creation of the abomination called the Nephilim, a cross of nautral / supernatural progeny. All across the globe there have been findings of Giants - some over 20 feet tall - most with double rows of teeth - who were ruthless and cannabalistic. Do some online research - you'll find "Indian" mounds with evidence of giants who did not align themselves with surrounding tribes - and in fact - there are storys of tribes of Native Americans who banded togethor (liek the Sioux - who never banded with anybody) to fight these giants and destroy them - and that these giants were man-eaters. You'll find stories and legends and digs on these types of thigns throughout the globe. In the Bible - you'll find eveidence of these thigns spanning thousands of years - both in Old Testament times and New Testament times.

Demons (as did the Morning Star) seek to be worshipped. Angels always refuse the worhip of man and re-direct back to the creator, this is biblical in terms of referacne points and examples. But Demons love to be worshipped. The many gods of the bible (BAAL's) were perfect examples of this. many of them were worshipped by way of an Alter of brass, where children were placed on, and burned alive. This was prevalent in the land of Cannan.

Satan (and his soldiers) can be both the oppressor of man, or make hismelf to be an "angel of light" , a blessing, in order to mislead mankind. Either approach suits his purposes, as long as he has seperated man from relationship wioth God thru the Mediator Christ. if there truly is only one pathway to God thru Christ as The Bible teaches....then all he needs to do is provide another pathway and his work is done.

Why is Demonci activity semmingly surrounded by certain timeframes?

because of Mankinds invention of demon worship/idol worship/occultic activity during certain timeframes. Obviously Demons are not bound to these time frames, and anyone who beleives that daytime activity does not exist is grossly ignorant of the facts. Demosn understand soemthign that we teach in marketing calsses; respect your audience. Man sets the schedule - they just respond.

That being said - if by and large - occultic activity, on the part of mankind - takes place during certain hours - whereever and in whatever time zone applies - then this is when Demons respond in kind - a reward for the seeker. All this really does is reinforce more lies. And it works wonderfully, because mankind jsut loves to be tantilized.

Also bear in mind - as exemplified in the book of Daniel in the Bible - that Demons rule territorial and regionally both by country, kingdom influence, and progressions of rank. As do Angels (book of revalation response to the 7 Angels of the 7 churches). It is a very organized system and always has been this way.

If you are a CEO of an organization on the west coast - you work during pacific daylight hours - thats your gig. If you are a Demonic Prince of a certain principality - your assignment always centers around mankind - that is the goal. And in turn, you simply respond to the task at hand. We often think that spriits are limited and can be foiled by certain rituals, etc. this is all untrue, and is a joke really, the limits of man's thoughts are mocked and ridiculed by Demons, yet they use them against us nonetheless. If that means that a Demon's (or group of Demons) assignmetn is to simply REINFORCE a particularlly foolish human mindset, so be it. All that really is....is spiritual propoganda.

And ultimately - if you beleive in this sort of thing via the biblical model - the battle is and always has been for one thing and one thing only: for your mind.

Steven

Steven · April 12, 2006