Getting Vicodin

[Homicidalheathen]

I just can't be around people like this much. I watched my mom go through it and that was enough for me.

People like this use various different doctors without them knowing about each other, different drug stores......thats why they wanted to push the national electronic tracking through computer link ups so they could monotor peoples.

But now there is the internet which from what I understand makes it easier to do? I don't understand how. Can't they still monitor that too?

You still need a prescrip, I am thinking people go to multiple doctors like my mom did.

Then they just fill them through different websites.

I just got so sick of my mom being out of it and sleeping half the day, not being there for me at all in any of the things I wanted to do.....she couldn't drive, be social......clean much.....

puking all the time.

Not good for kids. NO matter what age.

Now she is pretty much off the pills but gets high on doing to many of her Glaucoma drops.

I know Dave (you!) can be ok because you were when I met you just 7 yrs ago I don't understand what the hell happened to you.

You would carry on long nice conversations with me, held a decent job ect......ect.....ect......

[Steven]

I just can't be around people like this much.  I watched my mom go through it and that was enough for me.

People like this use various different doctors without them knowing about each other, different drug stores......thats why they wanted to push the national electronic tracking through computer link ups so they could monotor peoples.

But now there is the internet which from what I understand makes it easier to do?  I don't understand how.  Can't they still monitor that too?

You still need a prescrip, I am thinking people go to multiple doctors like my mom did.

Then they just fill them through different websites.

I just got so sick of my mom being out of it and sleeping half the day, not being there for me at all in any of the things I wanted to do.....she couldn't drive, be social......clean much.....

puking all the time.

Not good for kids.  NO matter what age.

Now she is pretty much off the pills but gets high on doing to many of her Glaucoma drops.

I know Dave (you!) can be ok because you were when I met you just 7 yrs ago I don't understand what the hell happened to you.

You would carry on long nice conversations with me, held a decent job ect......ect.....ect......

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this is exactly what I mean HH.

functional addicts are only functional until......well, their not anymore.

Dave is reaching the last curve on the yellow brick road.

[Msterbeau]

this is exactly what I mean HH.

functional addicts are only functional until......well, their not anymore.

Dave is reaching the last curve on the yellow brick road.

Functional.... Hehhe.. Is that what they call us when it seems like we're doing life OK?

[bean]

Functional....  Hehhe..  Is that what they call us when it seems like we're doing life OK?

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Heh

[DarkChylde]

All I can say is, and im not going to say any names. But I think most of you just need to drop it and move on. I mean, yeah. DD did/say some things I disagree with, but like whut mark said, its basicaly the pills that draws him to go over of who he really is. I've known him in person for awhile, trust me. He's alot better person than y'all think he is and believe it or not, he's also really good to his step-daughter and atleast he has the dendency to keep his problems away from her, from the house mostly. Also like whut miranda said in that flaming topic (its easier to point the finger than understand the situation). She's right!! I mean, no offense here but whut most of y'all been doing is just stooping to his level (no offense to DD).

[Guest Megalicious]

All I can say is, and im not going to say any names. But I think most of you just need to drop it and move on....

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I don't see why we should stop talking as long as the thread remains positive and productive. Which this seems to be doing. No one has lashed out in a personal attack, I've read nothing but views that seem to be critical but nothing negative. Sometimes its hard to tell the differnce between someone being honest and someone being bitchy, in this case I don't see why we can't be adult about things and just talk as long as it remains friendly.

[Dollardave]

I can't believe you guys are still carrying on about this. Move on like darkchyde said. I have no intention of quitting and been on my meds for 2 yrs and enjoy vicodin. I was feeling a tad bit suicidal so thats why I went in cuz I was out of meds. This is ridiculous that you all are carrying on about this. Time to move on. This has made me leave dgn completely. Good job I'll take my humor and self somewhere else like myspace where I'm appreciated I posted the same thing on myspace and people just asked if I was okay after my long hospitalization not insults and bullshit. Move on I want this thread deleted.

[Guest Megalicious]

I can't believe you guys are still carrying on about this.  Move on like darkchyde said.  I have no intention of quitting and been on my meds for 2 yrs and enjoy vicodin.  I was feeling a tad bit suicidal so thats why I went in cuz I was out of meds.  This is ridiculous that you all are carrying on about this.  Time to move on.  This has made me leave dgn completely.  Good job I'll take my humor and self somewhere else like myspace where I'm appreciated I posted the same thing on myspace and people just asked if I was okay after my long hospitalization not insults and bullshit.  Move on I want this thread deleted.

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Im sorry but I dont think you are going to get that ... PLEASE READ ABOVE POST.. No one has been negative in this tread .. we are all friends here sharing adivce/views. If that makes you want to leave DGN I'm sorry, but sometimes there are going to be things/threads that you dont like .. that you disagree with, but that doesnt mean they should be deleted.

As long as things stay productive I see no reason for that.

[Steven]

IMove on I want this thread deleted.

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you cant always get what you want Dave.

Good job I'll take my humor and self somewhere else like myspace where I'm appreciated I posted the same thing on myspace and people just asked if I was okay after my long hospitalization not insults and bullshit. 

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So your flight is everyone elses problem Dave?

Think about it awhile. Its good insight into how you process - and how you do or do not deal.

[Hellion]

:devil I was hanging out with DD last night and he was having a really good time,so if things do not get out of hand here fine,but the dweller part on the negative is getting a little old.I myself am not perfect,but I have been trying my best to make the best of it.I was happy to hang out with DD again,and we all had a great time,and that is the one thing I like to remember.I am saying this in my own opinion.Other than that,carry on. :cheerful

[Draco1958]

I can't believe you guys are still carrying on about this.  Move on like darkchyde said.  I have no intention of quitting and been on my meds for 2 yrs and enjoy vicodin.  I was feeling a tad bit suicidal so thats why I went in cuz I was out of meds.  This is ridiculous that you all are carrying on about this.  Time to move on.  This has made me leave dgn completely.  Good job I'll take my humor and self somewhere else like myspace where I'm appreciated I posted the same thing on myspace and people just asked if I was okay after my long hospitalization not insults and bullshit.  Move on I want this thread deleted.

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I agree with DD. I think nothing more constructive can be said on this issue. basically everyone is beating a dead horse here. A comment was made that is was a cry for help. The third sentence in the quote shows it wasn't.

So I ran out of vicodin so I had to claim I was mentally insane and got into the mental hospital for the week claimed I was suicidal ha NOT. Me suicidial I'm full of life and women and never would harm myself although being a slasher is fun I did opt to take a couple of push pins and self multilate myself a bit in there when no one was looking anyways I got my vicodins in there so I was ok

This tells me there were no suicidal feelings, just a way to beat the system to feed an addiction.

It was a hilarious experience I'd do it again for the fun of it.

DD, I know we've had our differences but I do wish you well. I hope you wake up in time to save yourself before this kills you. You are a good friend to many people and you would be missed. I won't say I feel sorry for you, I'm sure you don't want pity nor sympathy you may think is false. But in total honesty, I hope things get better for you and I wish you the best.

[wheresmypiggy]

I take caution in posting now....

I see no reason for this thread to be deleted or locked. Its a learning experience for everyone.

Some people never saw the depth of the problem and now know the signs.

A cry for help was given. Now after many un necessary and rude comments from some of you on here, DD seems to be recoiling back into anger once again.

If an addict asks for help and is denied, or anyone for that matter. More oft than not they turn to anger.

Maybe it was all a joke to him. Maybe his comment about joking was merely to hurt all of you who have hurt him throughout these threads.

My opinion is... sure. This topic should be left open but maybe using names isnt such a good idea.

Talk about your experiences with people like this. Or situations like this. Hell... for those of you who do or do not know me. You can use and bash me if you like. But it is time to leave DD alone.

[JaneDead]

If an addict asks for help and is denied, or anyone for that matter. More oft than not they turn to anger.

Maybe it was all a joke to him. Maybe his comment about joking was merely to hurt all of you who have hurt him throughout these threads.

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well actually he didn't ask for help. rather, he is bragging about being "suicidal" and "using the system" by going to the hospital for more of his pills.

really, it is a joke to him. he thought it was funny and wanted to share his experience. but he didn't get the reaction he had hoped for. WE see it as a problem HE sees it as *fun*

[wheresmypiggy]

well actually he didn't ask for help. rather, he is bragging about being "suicidal" and "using the system" by going to the hospital for more of his pills.

really, it is a joke to him. he thought it was funny and wanted to share his experience. but he didn't get the reaction he had hoped for. WE see it as a problem HE sees it as *fun*

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Or that was his way of asking for help. And when he was denied it in any sense he and everyone else retailiated.

Sometimes its hard or embarassing to ask for help. Sometimes people ask for help in inapproiate ways. Maybe he just needed some pity. I'm not saying he asked anyone to save him.

Or maybe he really was joking. No one but him can be sure. But one thing is for certain. Now that all this has unraveled anything said is in sarcasm or anger. The time for truth is past.

[Guest Megalicious]

I agree with DD.  I think nothing more constructive can be said on this issue.  basically everyone is beating a dead horse here.

This is where you and me differ.... .I think not only have many constructive things been said (and still can be) but the only reason Dave wants it shut down is because he feels uncomfortable now about it. I say then he shouldn't have opened the door to critisim in the first place. Like Jesi said there is NO reason, what so ever for this thread to be locked and or deleted, as long as everyone stays civil (and everyone has been) there is no reason for it ... its not beating a dead horse if something ANYTHING can be learned from it ....

[Jarodaka]

In the interest of finding new, alive horses to beat, I recommend starting at least one new thread every time you post in here.

[torn asunder]

In the interest of finding new, alive horses to beat,

wait - are you condoning the beating of live horses!? :blink someone call peta would you!? :doh this is just sick!! :confused

:laughing :whistling

[Steven]

Or that was his way of asking for help. And when he was denied it in any sense he and everyone else retailiated.

Sometimes its hard or embarassing to ask for help. Sometimes people ask for help in inapproiate ways.  Maybe he just needed some pity. I'm not saying he asked anyone to save him.

Or maybe he really was joking. No one but him can be sure. But one thing is for certain. Now that all this has unraveled anything said is in sarcasm or anger. The time for truth is past.

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seldom do I disagree with you so vehemently.

The time for truth is NEVER past.

Unless your dead. then yeah, its past.

Humility is lost art form.

and its rooted in truth.

it would empower Dave - if he let it.

I actually hope one day he does.

Steven

[DarkChylde]

I don't see why we should stop talking as long as the thread remains positive and productive. Which this seems to be doing. No one has lashed out in a personal attack, I've read nothing but views that seem to be critical but nothing negative. Sometimes its hard to tell the differnce between someone being honest and someone being bitchy, in this case I don't see why we can't be adult about things and just talk as long as it remains friendly.

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Your right on that. I wasnt really talking about whut was posted in this thread, I was more like talking about whut was going on in that other thread. I shouldve been more specific so I apoligize on that part. I still like ya meg and miss see'ing you around so no worries. :grin

DollarDave, if your reading this, I still think your cool to hang out with and your a good person deep down inside. But please take my advise for this, you need to start laying off the vic's man. Yes they do make you feel better and its fun to do while your drinking beer, but way too much is over-whelming your health, plus its affecting your personality. Im not saying this to put you down, im saying this because I am worried about you bro. I dont want to see another friend laying in a casket at a funeral. I've had too many friends who passed away in my past. Not only do this for yourself, but please do it for others who care about ya. Other than that it was really kewl see'ing you again at CC last saturday, sorry I didnt said much I had too much things on my mind due to the home situation and stuff. But I do plan on chillen with ya again sometimes and have a few beers. Take care man and remember, there are who cares about you and wish you the best.

[wheresmypiggy]

DollarDave, if your reading this, I still think your cool to hang out with and your a good person deep down inside. But please take my advise for this, you need to start laying off the vic's man. Yes they do make you feel better and its fun to do while your drinking beer, but way too much is over-whelming your health, plus its affecting your personality. Im not saying this to put you down, im saying this because I am worried about you bro.

Words of a true friend.

Take care man and remember, there are who cares about you and wish you the best.

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Something I do hope DD remembers througout all of this.

[Homicidalheathen]

I took my kids out last night. I asked them if they remembered when I was real sick and the doc had me on a ton of vicodin and if they noticed a change in my personality and they said quote: "yes! OMG you were so OUT of it all the time, I am so glad your well enough not to take that stuff anymore!'

Kids notice.

And drugs R bad, MMMMMMMMMMkay?

[JaneDead]

oh yes, kids notice. and what's worse than being a junkie is being a junkie with kids who have to watch that growing up. (not saying that is what you were just saying it's worse when kids have to be around people on drugs. children should never never be exposed to that.)

[Homicidalheathen]

I think that is the problem with prescription drugs. You get it from a lisenced doctor who says you NEED it.

So it seems harmless enough....hell, it's legal after all.

I worked with a lady who hated pot but took tranquilizers and valium just to go to work everyday.

Then when her ankle hurt she took pain pills too.

But she was very anti drug or so she thought.....if it was illegal anyway.

It is really up to you to decide if drugs are effecting you, no one else can tell and doctors are too easily fooled.

[Onyx]

I just wanted to mention - the physical problem with Vicoden and Tylenol#3 and stuff with codeine/hydrocodone and opiates is not the part of the drug that causes the high. The damaging part is the acetaminophen (Tylenol) in it.

Because Tylenol is sold over the counter most people think it's safe, but it's really one of the most dangerous drugs out there. It's an effective drug if you're in pain or have a fever, but mixing it with alcohol increases the damage to a point where it's not really a question of whether liver damage is happening, but just a matter of time before complete liver failure will happen. There's a warning on the Tylenol label now that if you have 3 or more drinks a week and are taking Tylenol you could be doing damage.

I've even heard of cases where folks didn't know something had Tylenol in it and went into liver failure from combining cold meds like Nyquil and taking Tylenol along with it. Ibuprofen and aspirin would be a better choice, unless you have ulcers. I also heard of a case where a baby had to have a liver transplant (and later died) from an overdose of Tylenol because the mother gave a toddler infant drops but got the dose wrong (The infant drops are more concentrated).

Tylenol is such a rich company I really think they spend a lot of cash to downplay what kind of damage the stuff can do.

Vicoden and liver damage

[Brenda Starrr]

I have to take Vicoprofen for the arthritis in my back. IF I take it (big if), I take only half. I don't want to be high or become addicted to it. I like having my wits about me. I worry about the side effects, too.

I just don't like taking pills, I guess. So, I fight it.