Heroin,the evil it can do.

[Hellion]

:devil I just found out,one of my friends that worked at the Ramada,just died from a leathal form of heroin.

I found out right after City Club closed Saturday.I wish I could find the MF that sold it to him and kill the SOB myself ,because he sold the drug to my buddy,even though I did not know he ever used it,because if I knew he used this shit I would have dragged him to the nearest rehab center immeadiately.

My brother inlaw died ten years ago from the same shit and I never knew he ever did it.

All I can say is,stay away from this shit,it will kill you!!!

[Homicidalheathen]

I posted about this a couple weeks ago hoping anyone who uses H would see it and not do it for a couple months until this bad batch is gone but you know addicts......they will do it anyway....I am so sorry Crank, there is/was....nothing you could do you know. It is up to the user to quit.

[Vortex]

I came here, looking for information to see if the email I just got was indeed true.

Can you email me at vortexdetroit@yahoo.com, and see if you can confirm if this is who I think it is (and hope it isnt)?

[wheresmypiggy]

I was an addict. I've od'd time and time again. I've now been through rehab and you know what? I walked away with nothing.

Rehab didn't do anything for me. I have over and over again detoxed at home. I thought going into rehab would set me straight and even though I'm clean and off drugs rehab did nothing but make me realize how ignorant those people in charge really were.

I'm sorry about your friend Crank. There was a boy who lived at the Ramada a year ago and was kicked out for od'ing. They put him on the streets and he kept using. I was in rehab with him.

18yrs old. The poor boy. Scared to death. He lost everything. His girlfriend ann marie moved back to Canada and took all of his stuff with her. Refuses to return it. He spent 5 days in the most horrible pain of his life while detoxing. And then was shipped off to a 3/4way house in Alan Park.

Its not that you can't help an addict. Most addicts want to be helped. That is why they are addicts. They are self medicating themselves.

Yes. Heroin is bad for you. Yes it can kill you but so can so many other things. The dealers aren't cutting the heroin with fentynol to kill off their customers but to draw more in. And it works.

Hell my spot was right up the road from CC. Grand & 4th make the jump across temple and boom. There you go. But they aren't out there being bad people. They are out there capitalizing off of what the government has pushed us into.

We need more mental health care facilities. More public housing. More care in general. More help for the masses. But until we get that we will always have users. Addicts. Junkies. Homeless vagrants. People you pass on the street and avoid. Yet how often have you looked into their eyes and seen what the real problem is.

Don't blame the dealers. Blame ourselves for being so blind.

[Onyx]

I was an addict. I've od'd time and time again. I've now been through rehab and you know what? I walked away with nothing.

Rehab didn't do anything for me. I have over and over again detoxed at home. I thought going into rehab would set me straight and even though I'm clean and off drugs rehab did nothing but make me realize how ignorant those people in charge really were.

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Damn. Glad to hear you are off drugs but sorry to hear that rehab is such a mess.

[Soulrev]

Yeah that's not just around Detroit area either. I think it's all across the midwest but now I know it's definitely the span between Chicago and Detroit.

I don't know if it's the same problem out there in the D but out here there's been a lot of H going around that's cut with too much fentanyl.

Here I found this while I was trying to remember how to spell fentanyl.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/...ll=chi-news-hed

[DJ Nocker]

:devil I just found out,one of my friends that worked at the Ramada,just died from a leathal form of heroin.

I found out right after City Club closed Saturday.I wish I could find the MF that sold it to him and kill the SOB myself ,because he sold the drug to my buddy,even though I did not know he ever used it,because if I knew he used this shit I would have dragged him to the nearest rehab center immeadiately.

My brother inlaw died ten years ago from the same shit and I never knew he ever did it.

All I can say is,stay away from this shit,it will kill you!!!

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Im sorry but you shouldnt be as mad at the dealer as you should be pissed at your friend for being dumb enough to do heroin. Its his own fault for being weak willed. You seem like a cool guy from the forums and I dont want to piss you off, but people are responsible for there own actions. And before anyone bitches at me about my post, I have had my share of loses becuase of drugs. I agree dealers suck, but they arent the reason, they are a small part. If someone wants something, they will get, your friend and brother obviusly wanted it if they went loking for it. Again im not trying to start A fight.

[Soulrev]

That's the risk you take doing any drugs. Even marijuana, you don't know if it's been laced or not unless you grew it yourself. Can't put all the blame on the dealers. I don't think anyone was holding your friend down and forcing a spike into his arm.

I've done heroin before. Not proud to say it. But I will say I enjoyed it. Only did it once, got high for about 8 hours and that was it. Haven't done it since. Will I do it again? I doubt it. I have self control and the will to say no. And I've lost 2 friends to heroin, so I don't want to end up on that road.

Now I'm probably going to be ridiculed for even having tried heroin, but I say don't knock anything till you've tried it yourself. There's a difference between using drugs and abusing them. I had the respect for heroin before I ever used it. I knew all about it's effects and risk of addiction before I did it, I respected it, and I'm fine.

Everything is OK in moderation. Some just have a hard time moderating themselves.

[Onyx]

I've done heroin before. Not proud to say it. But I will say I enjoyed it. Only did it once, got high for about 8 hours and that was it. Haven't done it since. Will I do it again? I doubt it. I have self control and the will to say no. And I've lost 2 friends to heroin, so I don't want to end up on that road.

Now I'm probably going to be ridiculed for even having tried heroin, but I say don't knock anything till you've tried it yourself. There's a difference between using drugs and abusing them. I had the respect for heroin before I ever used it. I knew all about it's effects and risk of addiction before I did it, I respected it, and I'm fine.

Everything is OK in moderation. Some just have a hard time moderating themselves.

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That's the whole problem though. I'm sure most addicts didn't expect to become addicted to the stuff. They thought they could control it and it ends up controlling them.

I despise what drug addiction and alcoholism does to people. I wonder why some become addicted and some don't.

[Soulrev]

That's the whole problem though.  I'm sure most addicts didn't expect to become addicted to the stuff.  They thought they could control it and it ends up controlling them.

I despise what drug addiction and alcoholism does to people.  I wonder why some become addicted and some don't.

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Yeah it's because the ones who usually do become addicted don't really care. If they really cared they would either not do it or control themselves enough so that they don't become addicted. Like I said, I had the respect for the drug and what it could do before I did it. I knew a 10 dollar bag one time wasn't going to get me hooked, and I told myself if I were to ever do it again I'd give myself at least 2 months "off time" from the shit.

It's all in the mind, everyone who becomes addicted to anything (unless they're so ignorant they don't know it's addictive) makes that decision to make themselves vulnerable to it. As much as I mentally wanted to bang more after that bag, I knew if I did it wouldn't just be a mental craving anymore.

I'm addicted to cigarettes. I made that decision myself. I knew that I was going to get addicted to cigs if I kept smoking them, but I still did it because I didn't care.

Addiction is a choice, not a disease. Unless you were forced to become addicted to something (say morphine in a hospital), then it was a choice, and I don't have any compassion to those who make that choice.

[wheresmypiggy]

Addiction is not a choice. At least I don't believe so. If we were all born the same abilities to choose, the same emotions to feel and chances as everyone else I could see addiction as a choice.

From my own personal experience:

Addiction chose me. I didn't choose addiction. Maybe I'm a special case but I don't believe so. I'm a product of my environment. Other people went to shrinks and dr.s when they had problems. My problems spiraled out of control and my mother could not afford to take me to a specialist and so I lost myself.

It was terrible. The fear. The pain. Not knowing what you are capable of or who you really are. So I turned to drugs, after researching them even. Knowing the risks and dangers and not seeing the big difference between prescription and street. The only difference to me was I was able to obtain one and not the other.

I was fine for years. Addicted none the less to the drugs but to me I didn't see it as an addiction but as a means to fixing what was wrong with me. Of course I cared but I found something that worked for me and ran with it.

It took years for it to catch up to me. And only when my life had been taken out of my hands by another individual did I give up and let the drugs pull me in.

My battle with my addiction now is for my family and friends. I'm out of rehab and in counseling which the state is so graciously paying for since I pose a danger to myself and others. You would be amazed what you have to say to get help.

Now that I'm married and pregnant they want to pull the funding out from under me. My insurance doesn't cover substance abuse and the road ahead looks bleak.

You take someone and give them heroin and they can become addicted.

You take someone and give them prozac and they can become addicted.

Children on ritilan become addicted. Is that their choice? A dr. made a choice for them.

I'm not here to battle anyones beliefs or views or own personal opinions.

But maybe to challenge them into thinking "hey, maybe I am being overly judgemental and stereotyping people I know nothing about"

Judgement was not meant for man and god is on his lunch break. I'll judge myself until then.

[Soulrev]

first off, not to be rude or anything at all but you said addiction chose you, you didn't choose it. But you said you turned to drugs. Not sure what you're trying to say here..

And I covered the fact that some people don't have a choice.

Either way when it comes down to it if you know the consequences and you do it anyway you made the choice. I made the choice with cigs.

I don't judge people for what they do. I don't feel sorry for them either. It's not my business what choices people make. That is the basic point I was trying to get across. Choice=not my business=no compassion=do not care.

I'm all for those who are addicted to get help, though. But then, there's only helping those who want it.

[torn asunder]

i have a very unpopular opinion when it comes to addiction of any kind... it's entirely the responsibility of the "addict". it's fully within one's ability to decide to stop, it's just a question of willpower - of wanting it bad enough. for so many people, it's just easier to say, "that's my nature" or "i can't help it", and they continue to play the role of a victim, rather than taking charge & taking steps to do what they should, for their own benefit...

and, please understand i'm not trying to be insulting with this comment, but "addiction chose me"!? addiction has no mind of its own, no consciousness... it's not a separate entity, and therefore, it cannot make a decision. people tend to take the easy way out of situations, and they also tend to lay blame anywhere but where it belongs. the choice to continue doing drugs, or drinking, etc., is entirely the responsibility of the user, and it's entirely up to that person to change their own life.

:fear

[Blackmail]

We need more mental health care facilities. More public housing. More care in general. More help for the masses. But until we get that we will always have users. Addicts. Junkies. Homeless vagrants. People you pass on the street and avoid. Yet how often have you looked into their eyes and seen what the real problem is.

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I agree about mental health facilities but should taxpayer dollars be used to build rehab clinics? The taxpayers aren't the ones who got caught up in heroine. I just think if you're addicted to something it is your repsonsibility to get off it, not the responsibility of society. Mental Health problems are for people who can't help themselves, thus society should carry the burden for those that have defects. Heroine addiction does not fall under that category, in my book. Just my opinion.

As for addiction, I do believe some people are more apt (thru genetics) to addiction, but it's still your own responsibility.

[Guest Megalicious]

  Mental Health problems are for people who can't help themselves, thus society should carry the burden for those that have defects.  Heroine addiction does not fall under that category, in my book.  Just my opinion. 

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Take in mind though that most addicts have some kind of mental health problem, and most mental health services that provide therapy and support for the mentaly ill also have programs that provide both mental health services and support for substance abusers .. I believe its for a reason, because they usally go hand in hand.

[wheresmypiggy]

My point is what meg is saying. When I say addiction chose me I mean it chose me because I was not afforded the same opportunities as those who could go to dr. and get the help they needed.

I have several mental health problems that they are now finding out. And no. The tax payers aren't paying for my rehab or my mental health. Churches are. Non profit organizations. I get god shoved down my throat. Told I'm a heathen. Told god will only love and forgive me if i repent my sins.

I did not sin. I did what I had to do to survive. Not saying all addicts are like that. Some really are in it to get high. I don't expect society to pay for my "problems" but I do expect that I won't be judged when I have done nothing to hurt anyone else.

[BrassFusion]

Your situation right now doesn't sound too healthy. While there's probably nothing you can do about being in a biased, negative rehab program, it's better than nothing. However, telling yourself that "addiction chose you" and not the other way around probably isn't going to help. Try to convince yourself that you are in control of your life and every positive and negative decision.

[pomba gira]

I was an addict. I've od'd time and time again. I've now been through rehab and you know what? I walked away with nothing.

Rehab didn't do anything for me. I have over and over again detoxed at home. I thought going into rehab would set me straight and even though I'm clean and off drugs rehab did nothing but make me realize how ignorant those people in charge really were.

I'm sorry about your friend Crank. There was a boy who lived at the Ramada a year ago and was kicked out for od'ing. They put him on the streets and he kept using. I was in rehab with him.

18yrs old. The poor boy. Scared to death. He lost everything. His girlfriend ann marie moved back to Canada and took all of his stuff with her. Refuses to return it. He spent 5 days in the most horrible pain of his life while detoxing. And then was shipped off to a 3/4way house in Alan Park.

Its not that you can't help an addict. Most addicts want to be helped. That is why they are addicts. They are self medicating themselves.

Yes. Heroin is bad for you. Yes it can kill you but so can so many other things. The dealers aren't cutting the heroin with fentynol to kill off their customers but to draw more in. And it works.

Hell my spot was right up the road from CC. Grand & 4th make the jump across temple and boom. There you go. But they aren't out there being bad people. They are out there capitalizing off of what the government has pushed us into.

We need more mental health care facilities. More public housing. More care in general. More help for the masses. But until we get that we will always have users. Addicts. Junkies. Homeless vagrants. People you pass on the street and avoid. Yet how often have you looked into their eyes and seen what the real problem is.

Don't blame the dealers. Blame ourselves for being so blind.

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Well said. I was into it for over 15 years & it's like you say... most of us are self-medicating. In fact I'm pretty sure I'd have killed myself by the time I was 30 if not for that. So do I say, this shit was evil & blame it for the fact that I'm in my mid 40s & only now getting established in the "real" world? Or do I bless the Goddess Papavera for keeping me going till I learned how to keep myself going? I don't know. I think I've learned a tiny bit of wisdom in this life, but what I chiefly understand is that nothing in life is simple and there are very few if any absolutes of "good" and "bad".

AFA rehab... I've been on a few good programs, two excellent ones, and a shitload of abysmally bad & horribly degrading ones. Even the best one won't do it if you aren't ready... altho if you pay attention you can learn things to take with you for when you are ready. That's how it was for me... when I finally hit the statistical aging-out point, it was like all the insight and strategies I'd learned in every program I'd ever been on, all came together and finally made sense.

My .02 on the "disease or vice" debate: there is actually quite a lot of very solid research that shows many addicts have abnormally low dopamine levels or screwy dopamine re-uptake times. But whatever the "cause" of addiction may be, in the end the question is, do we want to help people or judge them? I can just about guarantee that no one has ever been straightened out by being judged, reviled, and stigmatized. One reason it's so hard to get off of opiates is that you're denied any human support or comfort, right when you feel your worst. When someone is trying to quit smoking, everyone they encounter is supportive and encouraging. But when you're kicking dope, you're sick as a fucking dog but you can't tell anyone at work, school, family, why. It may sound like a small thing but it really eats at you & makes you question why you're going through such pain to re-join a world that despises you.

"More care in general"... that's about it. We can blame people for their own poverty or addiction or whatever, all day long... but that doesn't solve anyone's problems. And having a bunch of alienated, fucked up, hopeless people wandering around out there degrades everyone's quality of life, whether you live in the middle of the urban jungle or in the most insular gated community. Nothing will really change until we all take that "No Man is an Island" poem to heart.

Sorry for the dissertation... this fentanyl thing has me thinking about my past a lot, so these things have been on my mind lately.

Wheresmypiggy, good luck sweetie... stick with it & have faith in yourself. If I could walk away from it after 15+ years, ANYONE can.

[DJ Nocker]

i have a very unpopular opinion when it comes to addiction of any kind... it's entirely the responsibility of the "addict". it's fully within one's ability to decide to stop, it's just a question of willpower - of wanting it bad enough. for so many people, it's just easier to say, "that's my nature" or "i can't help it", and they continue to play the role of a victim, rather than taking charge & taking steps to do what they should, for their own benefit...

and, please understand i'm not trying to be insulting with this comment, but "addiction chose me"!? addiction has no mind of its own, no consciousness... it's not a separate entity, and therefore, it cannot make a decision. people tend to take the easy way out of situations, and they also tend to lay blame anywhere but where it belongs. the choice to continue doing drugs, or drinking, etc., is entirely the responsibility of the user, and it's entirely up to that person to change their own life.

:fear

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you are my hero, stole the words out of my mouth